#017 Developing Your Psychic Abilities for Healing — Saskia Nefkens & Rachelle Jenkens
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In this episode, Amanda Parker explores the world of psychic abilities with Saskia Nefkens and Rachelle Jenkens, discussing how to reconnect with one's unique gifts and align with the soul's mission for a more fulfilling life.
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“I think the process is about discovering the essence of you, and that changes all the bloody time.”
Today's Guest
SASKIA NEFKENS & RACHELLE JENKENS
Rachelle and Saskia are Not Your Average Psychic and they Channel Universe to guide you back to your most authentic self.
Globally, they provide guidance in both individual and group settings, retreats and as public speakers at various events.
They have their own Psychic School and through their background as both psychologists and psychic mediums they provide a learning environment that is both safe, effective and spiritually profound. They started their psychic-teaching journey in 2019 and have noticed an increase in demand from all over the world since then. They have been teaching over 10 groups a year and are the number #1 Psychic School in the Benelux.
How to get in touch:
Website: www.notyouraveragepsychic.com/
Instagram: @notyouraveragepsychic
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Show Notes
In this episode of Don't Step on the Bluebells, host Amanda Parker delves into the world of psychic abilities with Saskia Nefkens and Rachelle Jenkens, founders of "Not Your Average Psychic". They discuss the journey of reconnecting with one's unique psychic gifts to bring magic back to earth and unite the spirit realm with the living. Saskia and Rachelle emphasize that everyone possesses these ever-evolving abilities, and the path to rediscovery involves embracing your authentic self and aligning with your soul's mission, even if it seems illogical to the human mind.
The key to remembering who you truly are as a soul identity lies in healing and surrendering to the process. Saskia and Rachelle highlight that psychic abilities are beneficial for all walks of life, enriching the human experience, and not just reserved for spiritual practitioners. They suggest that the first steps involve engaging in activities that open your heart, bring you joy, and allow you to fully feel your emotions.
Through "Not Your Average Psychic", Saskia and Rachelle offer psychic readings, shamanic healing journeys, past life readings, their Psychic School course, and business mentorship. They encourage listeners to embrace their uniqueness and "party it up with the spirit realm" to make life more fun and meaningful. By doing so, individuals can tap into their innate gifts and align with their soul's purpose, leading to a more fulfilling and successful life.
Key Takeaways
Everyone has unique psychic abilities that are constantly evolving, and the journey involves rediscovering your authentic self.
Aligning with your soul's mission brings success and fulfillment, even if the path seems illogical to the human mind.
Healing and surrendering to the process is crucial for remembering who you truly are as a soul identity.
Psychic abilities are beneficial for all walks of life to enrich your human experience, not just for spiritual practitioners.
The first steps in reconnecting with your psychic abilities are engaging in activities that open your heart, bring you joy, and allow you to fully feel your emotions.
Embracing your uniqueness and "partying it up with the spirit realm" can make life more fun and meaningful.
Tapping into your innate gifts and aligning with your soul's purpose can lead to a more fulfilling and successful life.
Psychic abilities are not a static trait but rather a unique and ever-evolving aspect of each individual.
Reconnecting with your psychic abilities is a process that involves healing, surrendering, and embracing your authentic self.
What We Talked About
Reconnecting with psychic abilities to bring magic back to earth and unite the spirit realm with the living
How everyone has unique and ever-evolving psychic abilities
The journey of rediscovering one's authentic self and aligning with the soul's mission
The importance of healing and surrendering to the process of remembering who you truly are as a soul identity
How psychic abilities are beneficial for all walks of life to enrich the human experience
The first steps in reconnecting with psychic abilities: engaging in activities that open your heart, bring joy, and allow you to fully feel emotions
Embracing uniqueness and "partying it up with the spirit realm" to make life more fun and meaningful
Tapping into innate gifts and aligning with the soul's purpose for a more fulfilling and successful life
The concept of the soul's mission and its relation to one's unique essence and expression
The illogical route of the soul and how it differs from the teachings of the human mind
The importance of being exactly where you are supposed to be, even in times of turmoil
How children are more connected to different dimensions and have a clearer sense of their desires and aspirations
The idea that one doesn't need to be a psychic or shaman to connect with the afterlife
Guest Quotes
Rachelle Jenkens:
"I think that it’s your soul's mission to be your most unique, authentic self here on earth while you're living on earth."
"Bringing them back to themselves helping them realize, Hey, you know what your soul is basically an almighty power because it's part of the universe."
"I think the majority of the one to ones that we have with people is people asking us, “So what, why am I here? Why am I here?” Which again is very sad because if you ask a four year old, what would you like to be? Pilot! Doctor! Vet! You know, they have their answer ready."
"So there, there is no other place… even if you're going through turmoil, even if you're going through shitty stuff, you are exactly where you're supposed to be."
"Opening up your psychic abilities is advantageous. It's like for everyone. It is beneficial for literally everyone. It just enriches your life."
Saskia Nefkens:
"It takes a lot of healing, you know, reconnecting with your soul, with the higher dimensions of consciousness requires a lot of healing and the surrender to that healing process."
"I think that's something that a lot of children do, especially when they're super young, you're just tapping in and out of different dimensions in your sleep, in your dreams, and just in your knowingness."
"Your soul's mission is not attached to a job title."
"I think the process is about discovering the essence of you, and that changes all the bloody time."
"You don't need to be a psychic, you know, or a shaman, um, to talk about the afterlife or to connect with the afterlife."
“It’s fine to feel uncomfortable because when we are healing we are moving to new territory in our consciousness....it’s part of the journey and so if it feels uncomfortable you’re hitting the sweet spot. Like, something is happening.”
Resources to Learn More
One-on-One Psychic Readings with either Saskia or Rachelle - https://www.notyouraveragepsychic.com/individual-sessions
Spiritual Entrepreneur business program - https://www.notyouraveragepsychic.com/spiritualentrepreneur
Terms & Tools to Dig Deeper
Clairvoyance: The ability to gain information about an object, person, location, or physical event through extrasensory perception.
Meditation: A practice that involves focusing the mind to achieve a mentally clear and emotionally calm state, often used to connect with one's inner self and the spirit realm.
Past Life Reading: A psychic reading that focuses on exploring an individual's past lives to gain insights into their current life and soul's journey.
Psychic Abilities: Extrasensory perception or the ability to gather information beyond the normal range of human senses, such as clairvoyance, telepathy, and precognition.
Psychic Medium: A person who claims to have the ability to communicate with spirits and the deceased.
Psychic Reading: A session with a psychic who uses their extrasensory abilities to provide guidance, insight, and predictions about an individual's life.
Psychic School: A course offered by "Not Your Average Psychic" that helps individuals rediscover and develop their psychic abilities.
Shamanic Healing: A spiritual practice that involves accessing altered states of consciousness to interact with the spirit world and channel energies for healing, guidance, and personal growth.
Soul's Mission: The unique purpose or calling that an individual's soul has chosen to fulfill in their current lifetime.
Spirit Realm: The non-physical realm where spirits, guides, and deceased loved ones are believed to reside, often accessed through psychic abilities and spiritual practices.
Spiritual Entrepreneur: A business program offered by "Not Your Average Psychic" that helps entrepreneurs align their business with their soul's mission and purpose.
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Episode Transcript
Amanda Parker: [00:00:00] Welcome to today's episode of Don't Step on the Bluebells. I am here with the incredible Rochelle Jenkins and Saskia Nefkins of Not Your Average Psychic. Today we're going to be talking all about reconnecting with your psychic abilities and hearing this incredible world of work that you're both doing, uh, both in the psychic work, but I know that there's a lot of other skills and tools that you're bringing to the table.
So I'm really, really thrilled to have you here and thank you so much for. saying yes to join me on the podcast today.
Rachelle Jenkens: Thank you So much for having us. Absolutely. Very excited.
Amanda Parker: So we were actually connected through another podcast guest of mine who was sharing, almost offhanded, that, oh, if anyone wants to, you know, learn a bit more about psychic wisdom or how to connect with themselves deeper, you should really check [00:01:00] out. not your average psychic. And of course, I have been digging into your website for, I think, months now because I just love everything that you're offering.
So I'd love to kick us off in the conversation and just Here, from your perspective, imagine that you're speaking to your five year old self. How would you describe what you do to that young version of you?
Rachelle Jenkens: Hmm. Beautiful question. Um, do you want me to start? Um, what we do is bring magic back to earth. I would say is, uh, uh, reconnecting the people with the higher dimensions of consciousness, basically bringing it. If I would tell my five year old self, I would say bringing heaven back to earth, you know, um, and, uh, yeah, uniting. Um, the spirit realm with the, with the, the living realm here on earth [00:02:00] is what I would tell my five year old self. But maybe your answer is different, Sos. Hmm. Yeah. That's, I think that's a big thing. I think children are still with one foot in, in the spirit realm, in the higher dimensions of consciousness with, with their awareness. And so, yeah, I would also really tell my five year old self, um, you know, it's, um, valid what you're feeling. It's normal what you're experiencing in and around you. many children have to like, Push it away or are, you?
know, are being conditioned so early on in life to, to not make the spirit realm a part of their day to day life. And I [00:03:00] think that's what we're trying to reintroduce to so many adults here on earth that it's, it's perfectly normal. And it's actually such a magical ride to reintroduce the spirit realm to your day to day existence here.
Amanda Parker: I love these responses and what was coming through for me as I was thinking about what would I be saying to my five year old self?
Rachelle Jenkens: Yes.
Amanda Parker: Well, as a five year old, I was pretty convinced that I was a cat. and that I was meant to be a cat. And as I get older, that makes more sense. So there was a time as a kid, it was like, okay, Amanda, you can't actually grow up and be a cat.
And the older I get, I go, well, you know, I mean, maybe it's not actually being a cat, but really connecting in with that energy of the animals and the cats and everything else. So You just took me on a journey there, thank you.
Rachelle Jenkens: Yeah, that's beautiful. And I, I I very much believe that that's what we're, uh, you know, we're asked to do be a step more outside of our [00:04:00] comfort zone into the identities that we want to be rather than just be
Saskia Nefkens: this
Rachelle Jenkens: boring old human that is just stuck in their minds. And, you know, I think it's beautiful to, to re, again, to reintroduce that those characters in our, in our beings again.
Amanda Parker: So, there was a time that you weren't doing this work. Or I'm making that assumption, right? Maybe that's not even true. But I'd love just to hear a bit of that journey. How did you get to this place of bringing heaven on earth? Of bringing magic back to people who maybe forgot about it? What that kind of life is like.
Rachelle Jenkens: Yeah, you want to start us off? we have to like ask each other these questions because of course there's three of us.
Saskia Nefkens: So
Rachelle Jenkens: you
Amanda Parker: I'm, I'm letting you handle that. That's perfect. That's, that's great.[00:05:00] [00:06:00] [00:07:00]
Rachelle Jenkens: Really got close. Yeah. The catalyst. [00:08:00]
Amanda Parker: It's also a really uplifting story because I know for my own journey and all of the spiritual work I've done and just the different types of training or courses or teachers that I've been engaging with, there's been a lot of trying, like a [00:09:00] lot of almost pushing, you know, to get there and figure it out.
And it sounds From what you're sharing like this, I'm sure there was a lot of reckoning in a way with who you are and what you want and what does this really mean because you have to stand bravely into yourself, but it also sounds like it was a bit organic as well.
Rachelle Jenkens: It's Very organic. I think that is the message we always want to relay to everyone around us is that things want to unfold organically and naturally. You don't have to ever force things into your reality because eventually nothing really good comes from it anyway. Right. So even if, cause people go, yeah, but like someone like Beyonce, she worked super hard to get where she is.
But is she truly happy? Is she truly living out her soul's mission? You don't know that. Right. So I think
Saskia Nefkens: I
Rachelle Jenkens: would say though, not your average psychic and the unfolding of it, the manifestation of our business happened organic and, and natural.
Saskia Nefkens: Um,
Rachelle Jenkens: because it's what Saskia just said, [00:10:00] like all of a sudden it was just there. Like we had this business, from day one, it was thriving. Uh, this is not to boast. It's not to like brag here, but it's, it was, we've never, it's just been such a roller coaster of like, like a lot of success because not because we're so necessarily so great at what we do, I think we might also be good at what we do, but it's because we are doing what we're supposed to be doing.
So I believe that
Saskia Nefkens: you
Rachelle Jenkens: find this. Unique alignment with the universe and with your soul. If you truly allow for yourself, for you to be yourself, to fully express who you are. And to go back on your, on your question, I think my story is very similar to Saskia. We're both from the clinical field, we're both psychologists and um. think thing is with psychology, again, it's beautiful, but it was, it wasn't enough for what our souls wanted to,
Saskia Nefkens: you
Rachelle Jenkens: know, convey here. And, uh, it wasn't fully our purpose. So we realized upon meeting one another, Hey, we both have these psychic [00:11:00] abilities. we both, uh, I mean, at the time I was saying like, I can see dead people. Remember the movie, The Sixth Sense? was, it was a very, it was one of the reasons I went to see Saskia. That's how we met is because I went to see her for a session. I went, look, dead people. I don't like it. And you're going to have to help me out. I do something, anything.
Saskia Nefkens: Very
Rachelle Jenkens: similar, by the way, movie, The Sixth Sense, because I think the little boy,
Saskia Nefkens: I
Rachelle Jenkens: don't know if you knew, do you know the movie
Amanda Parker: Yes, but feel free to give context.
Rachelle Jenkens: Bruce Willis, so Bruce Willis is, I think, a psychiatrist
Saskia Nefkens: and
Rachelle Jenkens: or a psychologist. I mean, you know, I don't want to I don't want to ruin the plot here.
I don't want it for
Saskia Nefkens: those. If
Amanda Parker: It's, it's been out for long enough, so spoiler alert coming.
Rachelle Jenkens: alert, turns out the psychiatrist is also very dead. Um, so he ends up, you know, realizing, okay, you know, that's, um, he's he, at the end towards the end of the movie. I think for me, I hated the movie because it really. It terrified me. At the same [00:12:00] time, the ending is about embracing these gifts, um, honing in on these gifts, utilizing these gifts and how profound and how beautiful that is to embrace these gifts and them into your life. Will you introduce
Amanda Parker: it's fascinating, um, knowing different people who work in the energy arts, the spiritual arts, because I'm always looking for that name, you know, to try to give context and shape to This wild and wonderful world that a lot of people don't really know a lot about. But people come into these kind of gifts in such different ways.
So a woman that I know she was on the podcast a couple of episodes ago talking about Reiki. She was working with Reiki and shamanism and all these different things for maybe I don't know, 30 years before any type of mediumship gifts started coming in, and that she really started connecting with her [00:13:00] understanding that ability.
And I know some others, actually another guest who was on the podcast months ago, who had an awakening really only in the last four or five years and was instantly able to connect in.
Rachelle Jenkens: Hmm.
Amanda Parker: you say to that? Yeah, what's the difference there between Someone who maybe really has this, it feels almost like, moment to moment awakening to that ability and someone who's growing and honing and developing that ability.
Rachelle Jenkens: Even for Saskia and myself, uh, it, it's been a very different journey because I cannot remember a time in my life where I didn't feel surrounded or couldn't literally see spirits around me. That there was, it was always part of, of, has been part of my life. Um, one of my earliest memories has been of me being in, in a different life.
I was a man going to work every day, uh, thinking that was completely normal. Uh. Well, come, you know, [00:14:00] figure out it wasn't normal. Um, well, I mean, it's how you define normal, but that's how I, that I never really, it never really developed. It was always just there. I just didn't know how to deal with it because it just terrified me so much.
Um, And I think Saskia for you, it was similar, but like also, know, I think it's important to say, I wanted to point this out, like you, you use the word ability, like psychic ability, uh, as, as if it's one static thing, whereas psychic abilities
Saskia Nefkens: are,
Rachelle Jenkens: and that's what we also teach in our psychic school is
Saskia Nefkens: very
Rachelle Jenkens: unique.
So my psychic ability cannot even, like, look or isn't similar to any other one's psychic abilities, right? It's so unique. Every gift comes to you when it comes to the shape of your eyes, your personality,
Saskia Nefkens: everything
Rachelle Jenkens: that we carry inside of us is very unique, but here on earth, we just find it,
Saskia Nefkens: know,
Rachelle Jenkens: more easy, to, you know, see it as one thing, one static thing that Other people may or may not have, which I [00:15:00] think was one of the bigger issues I found
Saskia Nefkens: I
Rachelle Jenkens: stumbled upon in, in the clinical field. Ah, if you, you know, if you have these symptoms, that means that you have this,
Saskia Nefkens: illness
Rachelle Jenkens: or this disinbalance, uh, whereas every, everyone is such a unique creature. And I think it's beautiful to know that your psychic ability is so different from mine.
And so is Saskia's. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: for a second because I'm hearing kids in the background. I'm not sure.
Rachelle Jenkens: I've been hearing those too. I, uh, it's, I am here in a very quiet environment. So I don't
Amanda Parker: Are there maybe kids outside the window, Saskia?
Okay, okay, so you can't, it's nothing that can be changed, right? Then
Rachelle Jenkens: Yeah.
Amanda Parker: we, we
Rachelle Jenkens: a
Amanda Parker: leave it.
Rachelle Jenkens: noise.
Amanda Parker: Ah!
Rachelle Jenkens: Headphones. Yeah. It's like it would take a snoring, that's, that's fine.
Amanda Parker: It's fine, I'm just gonna make a mark of where I just paused [00:16:00] us and just ask my editor to have a look at that sound. She'll do it anyway. I'm sorry. Um
Rachelle Jenkens: We talked about the uniqueness of everyone's psychic abilities. And then I had a little bit of a backstory on how it works for me. But, and yeah, Saskia. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: So what is it like for you, Saskia? How would you describe this ability that you have? Because I know you also have quite a different flavor. There's a bit of shamanism in your practice, so maybe you can share some of what that's like.[00:17:00]
Rachelle Jenkens: Painter. [00:18:00] yeah, you using the word comes with the responsibility. I think that that's, that's really true. It's not just something that you can throw in there. Like, oh, you know what? I can speak Spanish when you really, you know, when it's not something that you actually use, Uh, I used to always do this. I'm really proficient at anything.
Microsoft. No, you're not. You can't. I can't still can't use Excel, you know, it is. it
Saskia Nefkens: it
Rachelle Jenkens: does come with the responsibility
Amanda Parker: In an interview setting, it's fine.
Rachelle Jenkens: it's fine. Are you proficient at Excel? [00:19:00] Absolutely not. But yeah, no, I think that's, it's important is what we also teach in our psychic school that it comes with, it comes with responsibility. It's, it's not a job. It is very much a lifestyle. We wake up with it in the morning. We go to bed with it at night and it takes a long time. So what does it, what does it take?
It takes a lot of healing.
Saskia Nefkens: You know,
Rachelle Jenkens: reconnecting with your soul, with the higher dimensions of consciousness requires a lot of healing and the surrender to that healing process. And so I think that is definitely something,
Saskia Nefkens: uh,
Rachelle Jenkens: that we do all day, every day is like, we're just encourage each other to heal, not just by sitting in like a meditation position.
It's also like, Hey,
Saskia Nefkens: step
Rachelle Jenkens: out of your comfort zone, do things that are uncomfortable, uh, but that create expansion in your awareness and in yourself. So, yeah, it's uh,
Amanda Parker: So just to clarify some of the terms that we're using, because
Saskia Nefkens: Hmm.
Amanda Parker: people might not be familiar with at all. When you say psychic versus psychic [00:20:00] medium, what are you talking about there? What is that difference? Is there a difference at all?
Rachelle Jenkens: Well, according to the dictionary there is, right. So let's like, this is not something that's not our dictionary, but I would say a psychic is someone who
Saskia Nefkens: is,
Rachelle Jenkens: know, can read the energy is good at reading energy, has this clear knowing of something being truthful or not being truthful, right? So it's usually being. Connected with a higher knowing, I would say this is
Saskia Nefkens: psychic,
Rachelle Jenkens: a psychic medium as to how it's perceived. I think to in today's society is
Saskia Nefkens: someone
Rachelle Jenkens: who is able to speak to deceased people. right? So to the spirits of deceased animals or whoever,
Saskia Nefkens: um,
Rachelle Jenkens: which I think it's, it's just a lot of bogus in my opinion, to be honest, like, I think that's also our business is called not your average psychic, you know, for a very you know, important, profound reason, uh, nobody should is an average psychic.
Um, we all carry these psychic [00:21:00] abilities, but each in our own way. And it's beautiful to uncover and discover them, but it doesn't have to necessarily look like someone else's ability. So again, when you look at the definition of something,
Saskia Nefkens: it's,
Rachelle Jenkens: it's tricky
Saskia Nefkens: because
Rachelle Jenkens: then you go, Oh, am I then, am I then? Because a lot of people go, yeah, well, Rochelle, you're a psychic medium, uh, because you speak to these deceased people. It's like, yeah, or I'm just Rochelle. you know,
Saskia Nefkens: I,
Rachelle Jenkens: I'm just, I'm a psychic with my own abilities, just as someone else has their own abilities. Yeah, it's not, again,
Saskia Nefkens: again,
Rachelle Jenkens: it's not a static. And, and, and one other thing that I'd like to add to that is even once you have honed in on these abilities, right?
So you're like, Hey, I've opened up this channel between me and my soul identity. I can now hear all of this stuff, see all these things. I'm always on my clairvoyant. You're an ever changing being. So your psychic abilities are also ever evolving. The more you surrender to who and what you are,
Saskia Nefkens: the
Rachelle Jenkens: more those psychic abilities will also evolve and, and, um,
Saskia Nefkens: develop.[00:22:00]
Amanda Parker: I think I see this a lot in the work that I do, especially in the coaching work, that there's a lot of pain in the present moment of people not being able to define themselves clearly. It's like we want definition, we want clarity, we want certainty, and not having that is so challenging. And I don't know the worlds you're living in, but the world I'm living in is very marketing heavy.
People want to define and portray themselves. And I think that's where these terms probably start to take on more meaning than they're supposed to.
Saskia Nefkens: Mm.
Amanda Parker: it's, you're so hungry to be able to say, I am Amanda and I'm this. You know, I'm Amanda. I'm a podcast host. I am a co I don't even say I'm a coach. I say transformation catalyst because I'm like, I don't want to be, I don't want to be boxed, you know?
But it's
Saskia Nefkens: Mm.
Amanda Parker: still for someone on the outside who says, hey Amanda, I need your help. How can you help me?
Rachelle Jenkens: hmm.
Amanda Parker: when you [00:23:00] start to get into that, Oh, no, I just do all the things. Everything. We just do it all. Don't worry.
Rachelle Jenkens: you with my Amanda
nism. Right.
Saskia Nefkens: Mm hmm. [00:24:00] Yeah.
Amanda Parker: you had also mentioned the word of your soul's mission. And I'd love to hear what that means to you. No?
No.[00:25:00]
Saskia Nefkens: Mm. Mm hmm.[00:26:00]
Amanda Parker: Yeah, it's beautiful. I, I was in a workshop this weekend with Elizabeth Gilbert, so she wrote Eat, Pray, Love. It was really amazing.
Rachelle Jenkens: That's amazing.
Amanda Parker: and she really very beautifully guided a two day workshop. I mean, I was just astounded by how grounded she was and just how kind she was. And she said in the very beginning, she said, don't worry, you're not going to walk out of here with your life purpose.
She's like, this is not that kind of workshop. There's a lot of purpose anxiety out there. So I think there is this feeling of like, Oh my God, I have to know my one purpose. And it's interpreted as. I need to be the CEO of a, I don't know, fintech company, otherwise I failed my mission, and what I hear that you're describing Saskia is that in this sole mission, it's just the essence of who you are, it doesn't matter what you do, it's not about an [00:27:00] occupation or a job, it's about you becoming more fully yourself with whatever that mission is that you're, maybe you agreed before birth to bring into the planet, or that just feels.
Like a sigh of relief to be acting on.
Saskia Nefkens: I
Rachelle Jenkens: will say though, to add on to that, it isn't easy to fully be yourself. So like trying to figure out who you are, like a lot of adults are unable to answer that question. Who are you? What is it you like? What would you like to eat tonight? What do you want? Many people will go, I don't actually really know. And that in itself is actually very sad and disheartening, right? The fact that so, so few people can really describe themselves properly or accurately in this moment in time. So
Saskia Nefkens: the
Rachelle Jenkens: journey towards. Rediscovering who you are is why you're here on earth, right? It's, it's what you're, you're here to do. And, and by doing that, you realize what your soul's
Saskia Nefkens: soul's
Rachelle Jenkens: missions plural.
We don't have one. We have [00:28:00] several, uh, what they are,
Amanda Parker: Oh God.
Rachelle Jenkens: Yeah, Yes.
Saskia Nefkens: And
Rachelle Jenkens: because I think that says also, whenever you say this purpose anxiety, oh my goodness. I think the majority of the one to ones that we have with people, uh, is people asking us. So what, why am I here? Why am I here? Which again is very sad because if you ask a four year old,
Saskia Nefkens: what
Rachelle Jenkens: would you like to be?
Pilot! Doctor! Vet! You know, they have their answer ready. But we forgot because we got, we were conditioned, we were traumatized by life. necessarily in a bad way only, um, think trauma and duality, you know, that is a part of, of human life on earth. But at the same time, it made us forget who we are.
And I think that is just literally why you're here to re remember, rediscover who you are. And that is
Saskia Nefkens: the
Rachelle Jenkens: main thing in that is that you are a soul identity funneled into a human body. Um, so yeah. purpose anxiety. We are very aware that that's how prevalent that is[00:29:00]
Amanda Parker: Well, I can imagine that a lot of people who seek you out, unless they've really had a lot of experience or it's in their family or different things, that it's almost like they've tried everything. and they're feeling at a loss and they're starting to have this moment of like, I just, okay, I'm reaching out, I'm going to have this reading or this session and finally get the answers I need.
Do you find that that's true in your practice?
Rachelle Jenkens: I would say so. Yes. I mean, I would also say that 80 percent of the people that do one to ones with us end up doing the psychic school. So I think that you are,
Amanda Parker: I'm, I'm ready to sign up, so don't worry.
Saskia Nefkens: excited,
Rachelle Jenkens: yeah.
Saskia Nefkens: Yeah. [00:30:00]
Rachelle Jenkens: young adults. Same. Yeah. Well, there's a big wave at the moment, I think in our clients, right with where there's a lot more younger people reaching out to us. Whereas I would say two years ago, it was more like mid thirties. That was like the the standard age range. It's now [00:31:00] definitely Uh, The younger ones and very valid what you say it's they're like, okay, I can now reach out to a coach or a psychologist.
Um, but then what,
Saskia Nefkens: you
Rachelle Jenkens: know, then it's like, then I'll have that limited perspective. Whereas in our sessions again, not to. Toot our own horn here. It's just, it's more like we, we uncover with you by talking to your higher self, by talking to the spirits around you, who it is you truly are. And towards the end of the session, you go, Oh, of course. The one thing I think that everyone always tells us is
Saskia Nefkens: you
Rachelle Jenkens: says nothing new. Nothing about what you said is something that I don't know, but it just confirms that I I've been right about myself. I've been right about myself all along. And that is, that is usually, you know, a sigh of relief for a lot of people.
Amanda Parker: I'd love to hear as well because I think it's really interesting to get some, I don't know, something concrete on this. Are there any stories you could share of maybe a particular [00:32:00] moment of healing that you witnessed or a student who went through the program that really stood out that you'd want to share with the audience?
Rachelle Jenkens: So many. So I have to like go through the catalog, but you, do you have a story? You were to start? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.
Saskia Nefkens: Yeah. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: I'm so sorry.
Saskia Nefkens: Yeah. Yeah. [00:33:00] Oh yes. Yeah. Yeah. [00:34:00] Yeah. I will. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: Humanness is good.
Rachelle Jenkens: I, I've Yeah.
Saskia Nefkens: I
Rachelle Jenkens: think it's the most,
Saskia Nefkens: the
Rachelle Jenkens: most spiritual practice is the full, fullest acceptance of your humanness, you know, of your humanity, of you being a human, a lot of like spiritual teachers out there, they'll like try to like, you know, steer you towards like the only to the higher dimensions of consciousness, but it's about accepting of everything that you are and everything that is right. So that's definitely a huge part of our, our psychic school teachings. Um,
Saskia Nefkens: I, I
Rachelle Jenkens: will say, um, you know, just to
Saskia Nefkens: an
Rachelle Jenkens: example, You know, there,
Saskia Nefkens: because
Rachelle Jenkens: even I would say a few months ago, I had a session with someone right before she started the psychic school. I channeled her deceased mom, uh, who passed away, I think, a year prior to her starting the psychic school journey. she was very adamant, like,
Saskia Nefkens: you
Rachelle Jenkens: are supposed to become like a spiritual teacher. Are you going to host retreats? And,
Saskia Nefkens: and
Rachelle Jenkens: then, you know, that's obviously she finished, she finished this, [00:35:00] the, the, the school or the, the course. And, and that's actually something that she was determined to do. At that point, you know, so during the session, we'll, we'll, we also relay a lot of information about the future.
This is what you will be doing. And to see these people blossom and actually do these things that their souls are telling them to do, um, is beautiful. I think that is definitely the biggest reward that we can, can get and have. Um, there are so many people that reach out to us by email or we have like, we get little birth announcements, uh, saying, Hey, remember when you told me I was going to have twins, while here they are, I was like, oh my goodness. There they are, you know, that's obviously a beautiful part of the job for, I think for us, our very common, uh, soul's mission is to realign people with who they truly are. Authenticity is key. You know, I think that's, um, that's why we, we share this business together. that's why we're here right
Amanda Parker: I mean, I always say, yeah, what comes from me just naturally is [00:36:00] like help people come back home to themselves. That's just the feeling that I have, it's in many different facets of all the different things that I do through writing, or all these different things, it's really about that. And it's amazing how many of us there are who genuinely just want to help people find their way back home.
realign with who they are.
Saskia Nefkens: And
Rachelle Jenkens: that can be scary because there is a lot of us out there, but none of us are the same and we bring different qualities to the table. So there's always room for in this industry. I feel, I get that a lot as well, where
Saskia Nefkens: like
Rachelle Jenkens: even this, again, this morning, um, someone's father was, I chattel someone's dad and they were saying, well, you need to become an energetic coach.
And she went. another one. Like there's so many of us out there. I'm like, yeah, but nobody is you. So whatever you bring to the table, whatever talent and skill that you present, not no one else will. Right. So it's also understanding how unique we are. [00:37:00] Again, that word unique that we really hone in on zoom in on during our psychic school. It's, that's what makes you important. That's why you want it to reincarnate is to be unique, to be your unique self, not to blend in. That's, I think we've been taught that like completely wrong here on earth. Blend in, adapt. It's like, great, not working out for me.
Amanda Parker: Well, I guess that's also its own form of healing. Just having the permission and the recognition and understanding that you get to be and do and follow the things that light you up.
Rachelle Jenkens: absolutely. and for you to, we always say, get your weird on, like be weird. Allow yourself to be strange, right? That's, that's the, that's when life gets fun. When you allow yourself to be strange. So that's what I mean. We tried it. obvious that I do it, but, uh, we both are, we're both,
Saskia Nefkens: absolutely
Rachelle Jenkens: not. no. [00:38:00] Mm hmm. Extravagant. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: Extravagant, extraordinary, all of the above.
Saskia Nefkens: Yes. Um, [00:39:00]
Rachelle Jenkens: well, I think that again, that is your soul's mission to be your most unique, authentic self here on earth while you're living on earth. So many of us don't, we just adapt and we just see, we go, we played safe. And uh, I think everything, all, all of the parts inside of you can coexist. If you're not just a coach.
You're not just, I mean, in my case, I'm also, uh, you know, a recording artist. I, I'm a songwriter. I,
Saskia Nefkens: that's
Rachelle Jenkens: all the stuff that I,
Saskia Nefkens: I
Rachelle Jenkens: I'm, I'm also that I'm a mother, you know, there, I love to bake. I want to, at one point, in my,
Saskia Nefkens: I, Um,
Rachelle Jenkens: maybe in my fifties or sixties, I'd love to start my own restaurant, What? that makes no sense.
Rochelle. Yeah, that's exactly the point. doesn't have to make sense. Life just has to feel good. Um, when it can feel good while you're not healing trauma, you know, cause that's the other, the flip side of being alive is, is having to deal with trauma and pain and hurt. So when you're not dealing with that or while you're dealing with that, make it as fun as possible for yourself, be yourself. And uh, Yeah.[00:40:00]
Amanda Parker: So what would you say, um, to describe a bit, not your average psychic? So if someone is listening and they're thinking, Ooh, this sounds good. What, what do you do? What is your particular brand of healing? within that context or maybe any context you want to share.
Rachelle Jenkens: Yes. We've got, we've got some products, but maybe we want to start sauce with uh, what do we do in our psychic readings? Or one to ones? Yeah. [00:41:00] Yeah.
Amanda Parker: So I also understand because you do sessions together and you both have your own unique flavors. What if I come into a session with Saskia and Rochelle, what pleasures await me?
Saskia Nefkens: there
Rachelle Jenkens: is there. So I, I will, I will say, so the [00:42:00] one to one psychic readings is very much either with myself or with Saskia, right? So we do that separate from one another. And again, we basically channel, you have a conversation with yourself using the spirit realm, using the voice of your
Saskia Nefkens: of
Rachelle Jenkens: your soul. Um, but we also individually have, Uh, Saskia, um, she offers shamanic healing journey. So like you'll probably expand on that a little bit more in a minute.
Saskia Nefkens: And
Rachelle Jenkens: I also do past life readings. So I take you to another life that you're showing me that is now very important for you to uncover. So for instance, I can, this morning I traveled to, um, to Zealand with someone.
And, and I said, look, this is the life that you were living there. This is what you were doing.
Saskia Nefkens: Because
Rachelle Jenkens: funnily enough, our soul's mission does not change life after life. It remains the same, but we just use a different outfit, our human body, uh,
Amanda Parker: So that's why I wanted to be a cat and it was not unbelievable.
Saskia Nefkens: All
Rachelle Jenkens: right. So I also offer, that's also one of my [00:43:00] offerings. And then obviously what we always share, what we always do together is our psychic school, and we also have a business program called the spiritual entrepreneur. So that's helping
Saskia Nefkens: entrepreneurs
Rachelle Jenkens: up their business in a very illogical way,
Saskia Nefkens: according
Rachelle Jenkens: to the route of their illogical soul.
Amanda Parker: That is such a pitch. I'm going to help you set up your business in a way that makes no sense.
Rachelle Jenkens: Well, it's, it's very
Amanda Parker: Of course.
Rachelle Jenkens: outcome is going to be incredible. Like something that you could have never thought of with with the human mind. Um, so yeah, that's in a nutshell, our offerings, but that's not, that's obviously Saskia, you, you also have your shamanic, uh, healing journeys. Yes,
Amanda Parker: That would be through shamanism, I think, right?
Rachelle Jenkens: Shapeshifting everything.
Amanda Parker: I've got my drum in the other room. I'm ready.
Rachelle Jenkens: Yes. [00:44:00] [00:45:00] Mm-Hmm.
Saskia Nefkens: Yeah.
Rachelle Jenkens: Yeah. So, yeah. That's our, those are our offerings within, not y
Saskia Nefkens: y
Rachelle Jenkens: psychic
Amanda Parker: But it's so much more, honestly, because it's really, like, you're talking to someone who's [00:46:00] just so enamored and fascinated with the whole world of, I mean, a psychic mediumship in general, um, but just healing and energy and that's the inspiration behind the podcast is, oh my god, there's so much I don't know that I just want to.
understand more deeply. So it's your offerings, great, but it's really like answering questions about what is possible, what's actually possible. And if someone is struggling, because those are also the people I'm working with, they, they come in, they're struggling, they want something different, they know there's something more, they don't know how to touch it.
And they're not all ready for. Okay, you can become a psychic now or you can have a mediumship reading. I mean, so understanding where people are on that journey that I think that is actually my role because I can bring them to enough openness to say, Oh, that is actually what I need.
Saskia Nefkens: Yes.
Amanda Parker: [00:47:00] actually the journey I want to go on.
But I think that's just such a, um, a common painful experience that I've seen so much and then the gifts of what you bring is. It's a relief from that, but also in your own way that shows this is also okay. That it's not just possible, it's also okay. You can just do the weird shit that, like, no one thinks you're supposed to be able to do, and Love it.
And as you said, your business is thriving, you know, I want to like knock on everything because that's why that passion, that energy is there.
Rachelle Jenkens: We are firm believers of that illogical route of your soul, right? We were taught on earth that if you do this and that, then you'll get to point B, C, wherever. But
Saskia Nefkens: the
Rachelle Jenkens: soul has so many different ways of getting you to where you truly want to be. So a lot of the, a lot of times we think that we want what we want, but when we really tap into our knowing, we go, Hmm, I actually want more, or I want to even a little bit more [00:48:00] Unique or more like we, again, I think going back to what I said before, it's like, we don't really know who we are, what we want the majority of the time while we're here on earth, we just adapt. We are, we just exist
Saskia Nefkens: other
Rachelle Jenkens: people with opinions. Right? And so bringing them back to themselves and like, helping them realize, Hey, you know what your soul.
is basically an almighty powers because it's, it's part of the universe. She can do a way more. She can manifest a whole lot more than you could ever do with your mind. Right? So trust her more, align more with her. It's worth it. It's worthy. It's, you're worthy of that alignment. And you see things unfold that you could never see unfold with your human mind.
If you think the human mind is a beautiful, and it is a beautiful entity, smart, it's clever, it's intelligent, but nothing beats the soul. so having people, you know, realigning them with those beautiful, with their beautiful souls is, is one of the most rewarding things in our profession. I think
Amanda Parker: So for someone who [00:49:00] is just starting on this journey and they do not know where to begin or maybe they're scared to embark, is there a piece of advice that you might give them of how to get started or what they might need to know? Ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Rachelle Jenkens: right? So there, there is no other place wherever, even if you're going through turmoil, even if you're going through shitty stuff, you are exactly where you're supposed to be. So the first and foremost thing is, okay, what? Is a heart opener, like what opens my heart? What brings me joy in this turmoil that I get to experience here on earth? It's like, what, what can I do to get closer to myself? And that could be as simple as I, you know what, I'm going to start listening to 80s music. Or they can be like, I'm going to bake more cakes
Saskia Nefkens: or
Rachelle Jenkens: you know what?
I'm going to start learning how to knit. It, It, that's the illogical route of the soul that we talk about. It is
Saskia Nefkens: getting
Rachelle Jenkens: that [00:50:00] closeness with yourself. Again, we are, we are a lot of it are removed from ourselves. A lot of us. And so reconnecting with, with yourself is the first step and surrender to whatever wants to be felt. That's another big thing. You know,
Saskia Nefkens: you
Rachelle Jenkens: have an emotion, emotions want to be felt with, not necessarily dealt with, but felt right. So. Feel them, feel what wants to be felt. And maybe you do need that eighties music. Those are that 80 rock set song, you know, to, to, to get to those emotions. But that's, that, that would be the first advice. Yeah. Yes. And then the 10th and then the 20th. [00:51:00] Challenge.
Saskia Nefkens: Hmm.
Rachelle Jenkens: Bye. Triggered.
Saskia Nefkens: Call
Rachelle Jenkens: us. Yeah. Image. [00:52:00]
Saskia Nefkens: Mm hmm.
Rachelle Jenkens: Yeah,
Saskia Nefkens: Mm hmm.
Rachelle Jenkens: Keep on moving. Keep on trucking. Yeah. And, I, will say, you know, we, I think we're [00:53:00] currently running our 30th, school course, one of the 30th group. So there's been 30 groups, uh, these past couple of years that have, you know, people, people from all walks of life, um, that have joined our psychic school surgeons, uh, doctors, lawyers.
Saskia Nefkens: Honestly,
Rachelle Jenkens: you don't necessarily have to have one to become like an energetic or spiritual coach in order for you to start this journey, opening up your psychic abilities is advantageous. It's like for everyone.
Saskia Nefkens: Right.
Rachelle Jenkens: It is beneficial for literally everyone. It just enriches your life. It's because you realigned with who you truly are, which is a soul being, which is universe. And so I think that's also,
Saskia Nefkens: yeah,
Rachelle Jenkens: something I wanted to add to that. Like, it's not just when you're listening to this and you're like, well, I'm, but I'm a lawyer. Yeah, exactly. You want to, you want to hone in on your intuitive abilities to make your job a lot easier, please. Again, give us a call. Um,
Amanda Parker: I've got my mother in mind and she's a spiritual lawyer as she says it, so [00:54:00] Ha ha! She does her job very well.
Rachelle Jenkens: Yeah.
Amanda Parker: So you bring us a great point, which is if people want to get in touch. They want to learn more What do you have going on? How can they reach you?
Rachelle Jenkens: Oh my God. So many ways, so many ways, right? So we have, a, we have a Instagram, not your average psychic, we have a website, not your average psychic. com and, and a, Facebook, I have to add this LinkedIn, you got, yes.
Saskia Nefkens: Yeah.
Rachelle Jenkens: Yeah. Yeah. And then we just go.
Amanda Parker: I'm like, oh that sounds fun
Saskia Nefkens: Like
Rachelle Jenkens: Harry Potter, send a pigeon, send a pigeon. yeah, yeah,
Amanda Parker: Good
Rachelle Jenkens: are the ways that you can, can reach out to us. Uh, we have a booking system. We have someone, [00:55:00] um, in Ackman who, you know, replied to your email, whatever, whatever it is that you want or need. Um, we start new schools and, um, throughout the year. Um, so international ones, Dutch ones. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: is it online or are there also in person?
Saskia Nefkens: Um,
Rachelle Jenkens: most of them are online.
Amanda Parker: Okay
Saskia Nefkens: Oh,
Rachelle Jenkens: and if we're forgetting a really important part,
Saskia Nefkens: we
Rachelle Jenkens: also do retreats, psychic school retreats. So we have one in Bali coming up in June. Uh, that one is fully booked, but we are planning on another one in November.
Saskia Nefkens: Um,
Rachelle Jenkens: so in this retreat in Bali, um, we also help you hone in and, and
Saskia Nefkens: rediscover
Rachelle Jenkens: your psychic abilities in the days in the five or six days that we'll be working face to face.
So there is different settings that we, we do the work.
Amanda Parker: Well, let's get that November one on calendar before I launch the episode. Send people your way.
Rachelle Jenkens: Yeah.
Amanda Parker: to everything in the show notes, so [00:56:00] everyone who's listening who wants to learn more, if you didn't have a chance to write that down, don't worry. You'll have the link to all the different places that you can find Rochelle and Saskia.
I will also be sharing a lot about this conversation, which has been incredibly inspiring and eye opening, if only just for me, fantastic. Um,
Rachelle Jenkens: Yeah.
Amanda Parker: well, I'll be, I'll be linking on all my social channels as well. Are there any parting words, anything else that comes through to you that you'd like to share?
really like to share. I mean you've already been so generous, so
Rachelle Jenkens: Well, we always, we we always do have a bit of like, I would say partying it up with the spirit realm is worth your while. It really is. It is one big party up there, so you might as well just join you're here, it's not always a party on earth. So I'm just saying, yeah, that's, that's something I always say.
Party with party it up with the spirit realm because it is such a party. Yeah. [00:57:00] Never, never, never, never. Well, it was such an honor for us to be on this podcast with you, Amanda.
Amanda Parker: it was amazing to be amongst two brilliant guides who are really opening the door for a realm that a lot of people don't know how to access and in such a beautiful, practical, like real world way, but also with beauty. I find so much beauty in what you do and the way that you present your work. So I'm really grateful that you took the time to be here with us to share your wisdom.
And I have a feeling people are going to be ready to reach out after listening. So
Rachelle Jenkens: [00:58:00] thank you, Amanda. Thank you.
Amanda Parker: and to everyone listening, thanks for tuning in to Don't Step on the Bluebells. Until next time, see you soon!