#062 The Body Doesn't Lie - Fully Embodying Your Inner Archetype with Dr. Liz Letchford
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What if your physical pain, recurring injuries, or self-sabotaging patterns are actually unlived parts of yourself trying to be expressed? Rehabilitation scientist and body whisperer Dr. Liz Letchford joins Amanda to explore archetypal harmonics, embodiment, and what it really means to come back into wholeness — from the inside out.
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“A lot of the people I work with, a lot of their physical ailments are a reflection of untapped gifts, untapped potential, and under expressed archetypes.”
Today's Guest
Dr. Liz Letchford
Dr. Elizabeth Letchford is a rehabilitation scientist and the founder of Body Church. She approaches health and movement through the lens of emotional wellness. With a background in sports medicine and a PhD in Kinesiology and Rehabilitation Science, she has helped thousands of people demystify the body and its functions.
Dr. Liz bridges the gap between science and mysticism, bringing together the measurable and immeasurable to guide others towards a robust understanding of their physical, mental, and emotional landscape. Having studied as a dominatrix, her current area of focus is on the impact of power dynamics on the nervous system and how disharmony in relationships can lead to disharmony in the body.
How to get in touch:
Website & mailing list: drelizabethlove.com
Instagram: @drelizabethlove
YouTube: We Are Body Church
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Show Notes
What if the chronic pain you can't shake, the injury that keeps returning, or the patterns that derail your life aren't random — but are actually the unlived parts of you, desperately trying to be heard? That's the radical and deeply compassionate lens that Liz Letchford brings to her work. A rehabilitation scientist with a PhD in kinesiology, Liz spent years in clinical practice before realising that the questions most researchers weren't asking — the emotional, spiritual, and archetypal ones — were precisely the ones her clients needed answered most.
In this rich, wide-ranging conversation, Liz introduces us to the world of archetypal harmonics: her own method of working with the body to identify which archetypal energies within us are starved, which are in overdrive, and what it actually takes to bring the whole system back into balance. Drawing on Jungian psychology, somatic practice, dramaturgy, breath work, and even a six-month dominatrix training course in New York City, Liz has built something genuinely unlike anything else — a body-led approach to identity, healing, and the reclaiming of self.
What makes this conversation particularly special is the honesty both Liz and Amanda bring to the harder truths: that we often cling to pain because it's the only way we've known love to arrive; that the parts of ourselves we've most repressed will eventually find a way out — through injury, illness, chaos, or crisis; and that real healing isn't about fixing something broken, but about becoming unafraid of what we once feared. Liz shares stories from her practice — including a bespoke week-long intervention for a woman in mental health crisis, and her own traumatic spiritual awakening — that make the work visceral and real.
Whether you've tried everything and can't quite find your way through, or you're in the middle of a major identity transition and wondering how to embody who you're becoming, this episode offers a genuinely new map. One that starts not in the mind, but in the body — in the breath — and leads all the way back to love.
Key Takeaways
The body keeps score archetypally — physical pain, injuries, and instability are often repressed parts of ourselves trying to be expressed
Identity is fluid, not fixed — you can move in and out of archetypes as life changes; clinging to a label keeps you stuck
Healing = becoming unafraid — Liz's simple, powerful definition: "When you were once afraid of something, you're no longer afraid of it"
Your dark parts aren't the enemy — they're starving — suppressed archetypes will find expression one way or another; working with them consciously is the medicine
Your breath is your best teacher — before following any external system or healer, build a practice of listening to your own body first
What We Talked About
How Liz moved from sports medicine and athletic training to mapping Jungian archetypes onto the body
Why she dropped her clinical board certification to follow where the work was really calling her
The relationship between archetypal embodiment and physical symptoms — hips, core, shoulders, breath patterns
A real-life case study: a bespoke week-long retreat for a woman in mental health crisis, integrating a bodyworker, vocal coach, and holistic dominatrix
Why archetypes offer something personality psychometrics (MBTI, Big Five) can't — seasonal fluidity and permission to change
The role of belief in physical healing — how entering a waking dream state can create actual somatic change
Liz's own dark night of the soul: a traumatic spiritual awakening that became the foundation of her method
The Dominus course — walking women through the embodiment of strong feminine leadership
The birth of Spiro Kinetics: the breath and movement practice Liz created to re-anchor herself, and now her clients
Amanda's leadership moment leading a shamanic drum journey — and what it felt like to finally stop being afraid
Guest Quotes
"There's just this part of you that's trying to communicate, that's trying to be expressed so that your whole nature, all parts of you can come back into balance. Some people spend lifetimes repressing a part of themselves, and then it's gonna express itself in other ways. Injuries, instabilities, disease, neurosis." — Liz
"I don't particularly care what people think they are. I'm listening to the body." — Liz
"A lot of the people I work with, a lot of their physical ailments are a reflection of untapped gifts, untapped potential, and under expressed archetypes." — Liz
"I could only meet my client as far as I had gone." — Liz
"Belief creates change. Belief creates an emotional state, whether it's hope or devastation — can actually ignite physical change in our system." — Liz
"When you were once afraid of something you're no longer afraid of. That to me is healing." — Liz
"There's like a full exhale in my system when a woman steps in and claims her power." — Liz
"Find somebody who embodies the part of you you know you're called to step into. Are you jealous of them? That's a really good place to start. Jealousy is just — I wanna do that too." — Liz
"If you don't feel resonant with one particular thing, maybe it's a mashup, babe. Maybe it's a mixed pot of whatever you are meant to bring to this world." — Liz
"A world where more women aren't afraid of using their voice is a world that I would like to live in." — Liz
"So many of us go through life with these experiences that we think are ours and ours alone, and we have no idea that there may be others who are experiencing something similar." — Amanda
Resources to Learn More
Body Church / We Are Body Church — Dr. Liz’s YouTube channel
Spiro Kinetics — Liz's breath movement method; free online via YouTube
Dominus — Liz's course on embodied feminine leadership - https://www.drelizabethlove.com/dominuscourse
Volt 50, Mayfair, London — current venue for Body Church Sunday Service - https://www.volt50.com/
Omer Ponty & Lauren Harkness — teachers of Liz's dominatrix training course in New York City - https://laurenharkness.com/
Louise Hay / You Can Heal Your Life — https://www.hayhouse.co.uk/you-can-heal-your-life-40th-anniversary-paperbacka
Terms & Tools to Dig Deeper
Archetypal Harmonics — Liz's own method: working with which archetypes are out of balance, starved, or in overdrive, using somatic, creative, and energetic approaches to restore wholeness.
Archetypes — Universal patterns of personality and behaviour drawn from Jungian psychology (the warrior, the mother, the dark feminine, the rebel, etc.) that Liz maps onto physical patterns in the body.
Body Church — Liz's practice and community, offering classes, online content, and a framework for approaching health through movement, spirituality, and archetypal embodiment. Sunday Service classes at Volt 50, Mayfair, London.
Body Whisperer — Liz's informal name for herself: someone who listens deeply to the body's signals to understand what a person's system needs to return to harmony.
Dark Night of the Soul — A spiritual crisis or period of profound disorientation, often preceding a significant awakening. Liz describes her own experience as traumatic and ultimately transformative.
Dark Feminine / Dark Masculine — The shadow aspects of feminine and masculine energy — often repressed or feared, but holding real power and necessary parts of a whole, integrated self.
Dominus — Liz's course walking women through the embodiment of strong feminine leadership via the femdom archetype, using energy centres from root to crown.
Family Constellations — A systemic therapeutic method that explores how family dynamics and ancestral patterns live on in individuals' bodies and behaviours (referenced by Amanda).
IFS / Internal Family Systems — A therapeutic model based on the idea that the psyche is made up of multiple "parts," each with its own perspective and role (referenced by Amanda).
Nervous System Regulation — Returning the autonomic nervous system to a state of balance after activation by stress, fear, or trauma. A central goal of somatic healing.
Shadow — A Jungian concept: the unconscious, repressed aspects of the self — often the source of projection, self-sabotage, and unconscious behaviour. Central to Liz's work.
Somatic — Relating to the body. Somatic approaches work with physical sensation and nervous system responses rather than cognitive processing alone.
Spiro Kinetics — Liz's signature breath and movement method: intuitive movement guided by the breath, incorporating spiral motion and fascial release. Designed to re-anchor the self. Free classes on YouTube via We Are Body Church.
You Can Heal Your Life — Louise Hay's foundational book on the emotional roots of physical illness, referenced by Amanda.
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[00:00:00] Dr. Liz Letchford: There's just this part of you that's trying to communicate, that's trying to be expressed so that your whole nature, all parts of you can come back into balance. Some people spend lifetimes repressing a part of themselves, and then it's gonna express itself in other ways. Injuries, instabilities, disease neurosis.
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[00:00:56] Welcome to today's episode of Don't Step On the Bluebells. I am here with the incredibly talented Dr. Liz Letchford. I am so excited to have you here with us today. So Dr. Liz Letchford, she's a rehabilitation scientist. She's a founder of Body Church. If you have not heard of that, you definitely need to go check her out, especially on Instagram, where she's really approaching health and movement and wellness through the emotional lens.
[00:01:25] So the work that you have created is this incredibly unique compilation of, I understand your life experiences of your, you know, education and all of this, but it is just incredible what you're bringing into the world. I'm so happy to have you here today.
[00:01:45] Dr. Liz Letchford: Thank you. Thank you. It's an honor to be here.
[00:01:47] Amanda Parker: So today we are going to be diving in.
[00:01:51] First of all, I'm super excited to hear you talk about the work you do 'cause I've just seen a lot of it and heard from people that I know, just how powerful the experience is. But I also want to just have an understanding. We talked briefly about this idea of how we're showing up in the world, the way that we are actually allowing ourselves to fully embody who we are.
[00:02:18] And I know that you have this really special lens of looking at people who are showing up either fully within themselves or within these different archetypes that they embody. And I know I am so screwing up this description, but I'd love to hear a bit of that from you. What, what does that actually mean for you in the work that you do?
[00:02:38] Dr. Liz Letchford: Yeah, you actually, you really encapsulated it pretty beautifully. I come from a background of sports medicine. Uh, my PhD is in kinesiology and rehabilitation science. I, in the United States, I have a clinical board certification. Um, I'm an athletic trainer. Uh, it doesn't transfer into the uk, which is where I live now.
[00:03:02] I live in London. But all of that gave me this really incredible opportunity to really work with bodies, to understand their physiology, to understand their biomechanics or the way that they move. And I, I studied why women are more susceptible to injury. I studied, uh, injury susceptibility in athletes in general and.
[00:03:24] One thing that I really discovered through years of clinical practice, years of research, was a lot of the researchers that I was quoting in the peer reviewed studies weren't really asking. The questions that would get to the emotional component of injuries. So I started getting really curious with my clients.
[00:03:46] I worked one-on-one with, uh, individuals in San Francisco. I worked in a gym. What I did looked like corrective exercise, but it was really like holistic rehab. It was, it was okay, your hips hurt, but what's going on in your life that's also making you feel emotionally, physically, um, sexually unstable. And so I got this really intimate peek into people's lives.
[00:04:10] So I started asking these questions, what is it in our emotional body? What is it in our spiritual body that shows up as symptoms in the physical body instead of the other way around? Or in addition to the other way around in, you can't really investigate the emotional and the spiritual and the physical without understanding the archetypes that we embody.
[00:04:33] So if I'm working with a man, for example, he was taught his entire life. Perhaps most commonly to act a certain way to embody a certain archetype. You know, I was working with a specific demographic that could afford training and one-on-one, one-on-one coaching, right? So this person is told he needs to work hard and he is embodying this warrior archetype.
[00:04:54] Well, if that warrior is attuned to an archetype from his father, from his mother, from society, that's gonna show up in the body in specific patterns. So over the past 10 years, I've been studying these physical patterns in the hips in the core. The way that someone's breath pattern might show up in their diaphragm, their relationship to the control of their shoulders and their rotator cuff.
[00:05:18] I just got to map out these archetypal patterns, like Jungian archetypes and watch their physical symptoms. So it was really cool for me to, to observe. Patterns over and over again, taking my scientific brain and applying it to this clinical work. I started, I actually ended up dropping my board certification because I ended up being very far outside of scope, a scope of a clinical athletic trainer, which was my training, which was just like, you know, tending to and preventing injuries for athletes, uh, of all types.
[00:05:52] And I was going into like archetypal embodiment and having really deep conversations with my clients and I was like, I need to let this certification go. And, and it was really beautiful and I, and I ended up really diving deep into these different embodiments that when we as a society or we as a citizen in society are, have any fear in our system of a particular embodiment, it shows up in specific patterns.
[00:06:23] Um. So that, I don't know if that makes sense, but it's, it's been really profound to watch the different patterns and map them to like emotions and spiritual beliefs and the physical.
[00:06:38] Amanda Parker: It's incredible because you have the experience of working with so many different people that you can actually see those patterns like that.
[00:06:45] I'm listening and I'm like, oh my God, because so much of us, or so many of us go through life with these experiences that we think are ours and ours alone, and we have no idea that there may be others who are experiencing something similar. You know, every time I'm having lower back pain, I mean, I'm a big fan of Louise Hay, so I pick up her book like, you Can Heal Your Life.
[00:07:09] And I'm like, what is lower back pain? I mean, this one I know by heart by now, but different ailments that come up, like I've been attuned to, you know, at least look in the book and have a, a look to see what might be some emotional underlying cause. But for the most part, and I can say this about many people in my life, they just might have physical injuries or there's things that just keep going wrong.
[00:07:34] They just say, yeah, this is just the way things are.
[00:07:36] Dr. Liz Letchford: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:07:38] Amanda Parker: So there's really like, uh, you're bringing this different kind of awareness. I can imagine if I had come to you with some like athletic, you know, injury, and you're like, so what was the role your father played in your life? I'd be like, oh, what do you mean?
[00:07:52] Dr. Liz Letchford: Yeah. Luckily they know what they're getting into. They're, you're coming to see me. You, you really, you're ready. You know, you've, you've tried everything else. Yeah.
[00:08:01] Amanda Parker: Well, it's interesting, like how, um, how do people come to you now? Is it still through physical ailment? I mean, by now, 'cause you're, you're on social media, right?
[00:08:14] So someone can look up the kind of work you do, but why might they be coming in today?
[00:08:19] Dr. Liz Letchford: A lot of people come to me. When they've tried everything else, um, when they want someone who is deeply rooted in science and in clinical practice, clinical western practice, who also understands the, and isn't afraid of the mystery.
[00:08:38] So I, um. I work with people who are, uh, deeply, deeply gifted spiritually, or spiritually curious. A lot of the people I work with, a lot of their physical ailments are a reflection of untapped gifts, untapped potential, and under expressed archetypes. So I most recently. Um, was hired. I, I was flown out to Nevada City, California, and I worked with a woman who was in a mental health crisis.
[00:09:09] She was like rescued from a place she was living where she was making really devastating choices, and they brought me in because she, she was a former sex worker. She was deeply, deeply educated in spirituality. They didn't wanna put her in a mental health institution because she was lucid. She was stable.
[00:09:31] She also had, um, a low back injury. So they're like, who in the world? Oh, Dr. Liz. And so I went out there, I created a week long bespoke program for her, which I brought in other practitioners to fill in the gaps that I like. I brought in a body worker, I brought in a, um, a vocal coach. I brought in a, a holistic dominatrix.
[00:09:54] And so very, very, I I, I treat things very differently. So what I, what I very quickly realized with her, you know, she had, she had diagnoses. I was also working very closely with a, a licensed psychotherapist just for all of you who are concerned. Um, yeah. Uh, and um, what I found was she was simply making these choices in her life because the unconscious shadow.
[00:10:23] Uh, the, like the unconscious, dark, rather dark, feminine, dark masculine within her was trying to express itself and try and like, felt so betrayed by not being able to express itself, that it was taking over and making choices, taking over her life and making choices in her life. But it felt so right to her.
[00:10:43] And I see that a lot of times for people who are in psychosis, whether it's of spiritual origin or more mental health origin, where it's just like, which one and the same, but where. There's just this part of you that's trying to communicate, that's trying to be expressed so that your whole nature, all parts of you can come back into balance.
[00:11:06] Some people spend lifetimes repressing a part of themselves, and then it's gonna express itself in other ways. Injuries, instabilities, disease, neurosis. I use creative expression a lot with the work that I do. By the end of it, she had written a song. She was completely stable and she, I had watched the transition into a different archetype.
[00:11:27] She then was like feeling, and, and still currently is very grounded. She's a mother in the, in the like, caring, kind, stable mother archetype versus, you know, the, we called it the monster. Like we're just this like sexy, like rebel.
[00:11:44] Amanda Parker: I love the idea of being able, you know, in modern, like leadership development or executive coaching, people work a lot with, uh, psychometrics and I love the idea of being able to work with archetypes instead because, I mean, I'm trained in a lot of psychometrics to be honest, but like I hate the concrete labeling of it.
[00:12:10] Whereas something about working within the archetypes that you're actually choosing how you can move through and acknowledging where you are today and maybe what would be more beneficial for you. Yeah, and like the life you wanna live, so you're actually giving people a choice and a very clear way to see how they might be able to embody, I guess those archetypes really differently and how they might be able to see themselves differently.
[00:12:35] Dr. Liz Letchford: What's psychometrics
[00:12:37] Amanda Parker: like? The ones that I use or in general?
[00:12:39] Dr. Liz Letchford: In general.
[00:12:40] Amanda Parker: So I have worked with Workplace Big Five, which is about like the big five personality traits. I've worked with like MBTI, so Myers-Briggs with Firo B, which is all about your like preferences and needs. These are really amazing. Oh, I see.
[00:12:59] For teams,
[00:13:00] Dr. Liz Letchford: like any,
[00:13:01] Amanda Parker: they're
[00:13:01] Dr. Liz Letchford: amazing. These kind kind of, okay. Okay.
[00:13:04] Amanda Parker: Exactly. And like I think there's, there's huge value in all of them, right? Because especially if you're coming from a place of no self-awareness, and then you suddenly can start to see, but it runs the risk of being like, I am the color yellow.
[00:13:18] That's right. And therefore I always operate right as yellow.
[00:13:21] Dr. Liz Letchford: That's right.
[00:13:21] Amanda Parker: Yeah.
[00:13:22] Dr. Liz Letchford: Allowing for the seasonal shifts of archetypes. W and allowing for a shift in identity and permission to shift archetypes depending on what situation you're in. It doesn't create this weird identity clinging to identity that you just mentioned of like, I'm an INFP, this is how I act.
[00:13:45] I read all the books, so therefore, and it's this weird confirmation bias that, uh. I actually have to unwind that from people and be like, maybe sometimes you're an extrovert when you want to be. So stop relegating your entire personality to what somebody has observed, you know, and, and created a system.
[00:14:04] This is someone else's system. This isn't truth, this isn't fact. This is just pattern recognition. And as a scientist, I'm like, listen, we don't know anything. We're just like, Hey, here's the pattern. Do with or what you will, you know, this is not by any mean truth, law or fact, this is just a pattern. If it works for you, if it helps contextualize or frame something, by all means, please use it.
[00:14:25] And if there's, if you notice something outside of the pattern, great. You know, that's what the statistics are all about. And please let us know because please prove us wrong. Please find something more true. Um, but yeah, the, the i, the identity. Crisis that where we're all clinging to an identity. I'm a woman, I'm a white woman, I am a white middle class, upper class, you know, and, and therefore I must behave in these certain ways.
[00:14:56] Yeah, my own inner rebel had a nice, had a nice trip with that one. In order to really embody and, and be able to teach from this place of, listen, you can, you can settle in and have a archetype that you are in for 75% of the time, but if you're afraid of your warrior or if you're, if you're terrified of that warrior and it's time for you to step into warrior, what's gonna happen?
[00:15:21] This could actually be physically mentally dangerous.
[00:15:24] Amanda Parker: It's such a powerful framing. I know for you, this might just be business as usual, but it is really freeing to think about our identity is something we can choose. And this does come up for me in like, in when I'm working with coaching clients, right?
[00:15:43] That it's like, oh, okay, you're outgrowing this, you know who you thought you were, and now you're stepping into something new. But that work is so challenging, like it is so difficult to not only recognize what, who you wanna become or what it is that you wanna change, but then to actually do it. And, and for me, it's difficult and I work in this field and I consider myself spiritually awake and all of this.
[00:16:13] And still, like I'm, I'm in the verge of a transition myself. Like I've been stepping more and more fully into my spiritual gifts and spiritual leadership and holy shit, that has been such a challenge to unwind all of this. You know, but I have an MBA and I'm a certified coach and I've worked in the corporate world and I worked with these big clients and like not having each layer of that means something so specific.
[00:16:43] 'cause at the end of the day, it's all me. But it's incredibly powerful if you're, you're helping people really at that identity level.
[00:16:52] Dr. Liz Letchford: Yeah, I like that frame. Yeah. And to me, I, I don't particularly care what people think they are. I'm listening to the body.
[00:17:03] Amanda Parker: I'm, uh, say more please.
[00:17:05] Dr. Liz Letchford: I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like, what do you need to call yourself in order for us to bring harmony to the whole system?
[00:17:11] And so I see this pattern locally in a single person. I see, okay, you are, you've got inflammation, you've got a brain tumor, you've got this rotator cough injury. What dream do I need to create for you? What archetype, what story do I need to enter you into in order to. In order for you to believe and create an emotion so deep that we can readjust the fascia, realign your body, and allow the energy to flow.
[00:17:42] So belief plays a huge part of this. So on one end, your identity is really important 'cause you believe who you are. I went through a very, very traumatic spiritual awakening where, because this is the work that I'm called to do, I, I got wall up with a loss of identity. I got wall uped with all of these archetypal energies playing through my instrument.
[00:18:11] Um. At once, and I had to somehow find my way out of this dark night of the soul of all of these repressed parts of me that I was, I was creating the thought forms that I was creating, that were now moving my body, the beliefs that I had, where I was afraid of something that was a part of me, um, the unmet shadow aspects of myself that I had completely repressed.
[00:18:38] And now were like monsters, you know, taking over and, and being very, very, uh, very strong. And I got to watch how belief creates. Change belief creates an emotional state, whether it's hope or devastation can actually ignite physical change in our system, a very specific level. What I do for people is, you know, I call myself a body whisperer.
[00:19:09] I'm not really sure if anyone else has a better name for it. I'm not sure what to call myself.
[00:19:14] There's,
[00:19:14] Amanda Parker: we'll pull the listeners later,
[00:19:15] Dr. Liz Letchford: please. Yeah, please send me an email if you're like, Liz, actually I think you should call yourself this again with the identity, I'm like, I don't care what I do works and come and see me and whatever You need to call me in order to believe that I can hold you.
[00:19:28] Great. I have a PhD HI have all of this information, you know, all of this certification, so. With belief when we're able to, um, hold strongly to a belief enough like a dream, I'm believing that I'm in this scenario and oh my gosh, that the, the monsters are here and they're, and now my system's feeling fear and oh, and then, oh, okay, finally, relief.
[00:19:51] That is an emotional pattern in your system. While you're in this dream, imagine if someone was watching your body and helping move the energy, helping adjust your shoulder while you're in this dream, it's almost like a psychedelic experience because you're believing it. Your entire, your mind and your body are in alignment with what you're experiencing.
[00:20:14] The energies can now be, be facilitated or manipulated in or for your in, in your favor. Um, it's hard, it's really hard to explain it without actually watching what a session is, but I think if I were to create a simple explanation, it is, I'm listening deeply to your system and then creating almost a daydream for you through drama like dramaturgy through psychodrama, um, through poetry, through whatever means necessary.
[00:20:47] Sometimes I don't say a word and we're just focusing on the touch, if that's what your system needs. But I, my big gift after I got walloped by the universe, my, my big gift is actually being able to create exactly what is needed to return your system, whether it's mind, body, soul, or all the way through back to, back to your true still center, rooted in love.
[00:21:10] And to me, the definition of love is whatever is the opposite of fear. So religion has created a space no matter what the religion is. I, I believe that each one was created in order to center the mind, to give a set of rules to center the mind and the behaviors around love in order to rebalance a society.
[00:21:33] So we read the books and we do the things, and our mind is now the center of it is in love, even if our ancestral trauma is polling our consciousness. Otherwise, the books, the rules, you know, the legislation, it's all centering us towards love. But there's never been a place really for the body to learn, at least not in modern society, for the body to learn how to sit with its fears and somatically recenter towards love, somatically recenter to face your fears and truly have it be true.
[00:22:07] Have your beliefs and your nervous system in alignment for I'm no longer afraid of this thing. So with that, my devotion to this work. Every single day I sit with that, which would scare me. The I, I have processes to be able to overcome fears and have it be true all the way throughout my system. So it really like people who sit in the same room as me, our nervous systems are talking so much louder than what I could possibly explain through my mouth.
[00:22:42] Amanda Parker: So a lot of the work I'm assuming you're doing like face-to-face actually in the room with someone. And it might even just be listening to them tell their version of the story of their life or what they're experiencing and you are paying attention like on an energetic level, also, like on a visual and physical level to what's happening within their body and their energy as they're describing this reality to you.
[00:23:08] Dr. Liz Letchford: Yes.
[00:23:08] Amanda Parker: And then you're able to actually see where things look either blocked or incongruent or. Somehow painful even to be able to help them. What I'm hearing is that it's, it's about helping them readjust physically, but also knowing and understanding what are those like emotional cues that are creating those physical blocks or sensations throughout their body.
[00:23:36] Dr. Liz Letchford: Yeah. And vice versa. What, what, yeah. What emotions are creating physical blocks and what physical blocks are looping emotions. Um, yeah, that's a really good way of explaining it. What I, what I discovered in doing this work was I could only meet my client as far as I had gone, and I think very simply it's, I'm holding people's hands into the thing that they're blind in.
[00:24:11] Whether somatically blind and blind just means the fear is there. You know, that that hasn't, it hasn't. We haven't allowed sensation there. I'm holding their hand and bringing sensation to a place that previously, that sensation had a fear story around. So it's simply just walking them into like, I have the flashlight.
[00:24:30] I'm like, look over there. And maybe it takes us six sessions to actually fully illuminate that place in them. And maybe it doesn't. Maybe it just needs someone who's not afraid to walk them into that place.
[00:24:41] Amanda Parker: And I'm guessing that this works as much for pain as for pleasure.
[00:24:44] Dr. Liz Letchford: Yeah. Yeah, it's really beautiful.
[00:24:48] I have people who, who have significant chronic pain and in just talking to their nervous system, um. Meaning deeply listening and feeling where the pain signals are. I can feel it physically in my hands when I'm touching their body and I can feel when there's story around it, 'cause it's a little bit farther away from their body, more in their mental, mental body and their emotional body.
[00:25:16] Um, but the different layers of our magnetic field, uh, you know, that's what I'm tuning into. And pain lives in all of the layers. Uh, may, it might live in one layer, but it might live in all of the layers. And so it's just a matter of creating coherence through those layers, through the mind, body, and spirit.
[00:25:33] And then really feeling the pain all the way through as well as acknowledging this is painful. You don't have to feel it all the way through. You don't have to be a warrior. I found people with chronic pain are so sick of like trying to fight through, and so pleasure is. The other side of that pleasure and pain are of the same vein.
[00:25:55] And if I can allow a space to permiss the, like, kinky nature of pain, it tends to do this thing to the brain where it rewires the pain into pleasure. And, um, that's obviously a case by case basis where people are mentally have the mental capacity for that. Um, but I've seen just really acknowledging like, oh my gosh, I, a big story that I see is I need this to hurt because then I'm someone who hurts.
[00:26:30] I, I see that belief always they've identified with being someone in pain. And once we illuminate that, the, the pain lessens if they want, you know, if they, if they're ready to stop being someone who is in pain.
[00:26:45] Amanda Parker: I think that's also so important because for so many of us, and obviously everyone has their own story, but there's like a story around, oh, if I'm in pain, then my family will show up for me.
[00:26:56] Or if I'm in pain, then people will pay attention to me. Or then, you know, the emotional suffering that I feel is legitimate because look, I have this physical pain and so a lot of us have created, I'm getting goosebumps just saying this, like just feels very resonant. Like a lot of us have created these stories and the suffering because of what we believe will come to us as a result of that.
[00:27:19] And you become so attached to getting that result instead of actually being able to see, oh, I just want my family to love me. I don't actually have to be in physical pain. For someone to show up for me and figuring out what is actually the, the root that causes that pain that you wanna be able to.
[00:27:40] Whatever it is that you're really seeking to find that without having to be hurt in the process.
[00:27:47] Dr. Liz Letchford: I'm someone who had that belief too, and, and I also had the privilege of a family who did love me, and there is, I also wanna acknowledge the truth that sometimes the only way you can, somebody can get love as if they are in pain and just acknowledging like, that's sad, you know, that I'm so sorry that that happens and you're not creating that.
[00:28:10] And this pattern also exists. So really like acknowledging the, just the injustice of, of a lot of people's situation, the places where they have been a victim of something, and then allowing them to step out of that. Reality for just a moment and come into my office. I don't know if you can see here, but if you're watching, there's red velvet curtains in my office.
[00:28:36] Like it is like a lo it is like a theater lounge play place for sensuality and, and I'm sitting on this pink, like Victorian chair. That's a velvet. Yeah, it's just different here. And so if you can just step out of reality, this is not a doctor's office, you know, this is a place where we can enter into a waking dream.
[00:29:00] And in that, in that. That's sidestep from your everyday life. This we can start to create. What would it be like if your family did show up for you? What would it be like if, if you had to really hurt yourself in order for your family to show up for you? And just really starting to play out these scenarios to to, to permiss the body, to just really be like, let's go fully into this toxic behavior you have.
[00:29:28] Let's go fully into this addictive loop that you have. So, and I'm with you. Okay? I'm, I'm, I'm grounded in reality, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna like bridge reality and fantasy for a moment and allow you to just see so I can translate, I can be in the dream with you and I can also translate to your modern everyday person, Hey, do you see, can you see this pattern?
[00:29:49] And so my. Where I am extremely responsible and I realize that leadership in these realms, you must be extremely responsible. You must be extremely grounded and aware of your own projections and whatnot. This is where, you know, I I, I made mistakes early in the awakening of this gift. I wasn't centered in myself and I would take people into dream fantasy realms, but really they were my own projections and I had to learn the hard way.
[00:30:18] Oh wow. I, I really, I could really, this is a huge responsibility. So I took years off. I devoted myself to recentering myself in the process. Developed body church in the process, developed this, the method that I take people through to recenter their archetypes. 'cause I did it myself. Um. It makes life so much more simple.
[00:30:39] It makes life so much, like things are so much less scary. And I love walking people through these places. Um, but I know that if I'm feeling fear in my body that is mine, I am not the person to lead them into this space. So for me, that makes things so clear. I have a signal in my body that says, oops, I'm not the leader to take them here.
[00:30:58] But there is somebody who can be a leader. So we talked earlier about I took that woman through a bespoke week long like retreat in order to reorient herself to her more dark archetypes. Which is something you would not get at a, like
[00:31:18] Amanda Parker: any mental institution, the doctors aren't gonna be like, when was the last time you put on latex and shook your ass?
[00:31:23] You know?
[00:31:24] Dr. Liz Letchford: But that was like, that's a prescription that I gave her. I'm like, we're gonna go, we're gonna go try on lingerie, take two and call me in the morning. Um, and it worked. Um, but, but to be able to, to, uh, I interface with other practitioners to who are so that embodiment, that medicine, I'm like, you can trust this person.
[00:31:48] 'cause they do this. They're not afraid of this. They like, they are the person to guide you there. And so that's my favorite thing is, is collaborating with other practitioners for a single, a single client.
[00:32:00] Amanda Parker: Ah, I love that too. I've been doing that, um, with like private clients. They'll come to London. We'll do a retreat either in London or you know, somewhere in the countryside.
[00:32:10] And I invite other practitioners to come in, so I'll invite like a. A psychic medium to do a business reading or you know, this wonderful woman that I know in Hackney who does like incredible breath work. She's created her whole own system for it. And being able to bring people in. 'cause I'm like, I don't need to be the hero.
[00:32:31] Like, you just have to get what you need. And for me it's also like, God, it's fun to watch how other people work. You know? I know. And to like know, have that magic be present. I'm like, yes. I wanted to say something just about being able to really go to the depths with someone and allow them to just experience the, like, I wanna say like the unthinkable.
[00:32:55] Like if we have the boundaries on either side, you know. I'm not allowed to do this or I can't do this, especially with like sexual fantasies or your own sexuality. But even on the other side, like, I wanna be a powerful CEO whatever, and like, oh no, no, but I can't do that. That's not for me. And then to actually give someone the space to fully embody that, like, I mean, the change is like instant.
[00:33:20] No, I mean, just being able to see, oh wait, hold on, I can actually see this. And then you've got muscle memory of it too.
[00:33:28] Dr. Liz Letchford: That's right. Yeah. Well, it's interesting, you know, what I've witnessed in, in taking people through their archetypes is, yes, that is true. And then all the other parts of you have something to say about it.
[00:33:41] So then once you, once you have the attunement right, then the journey actually just starting, and so there's the part of you that's like anything but that, that's, that's going to raise its voice for the next few weeks. Um, um,
[00:33:57] Amanda Parker: yeah. And like I hear, because I'm super fascinated by different just modalities and tools.
[00:34:04] So I'm using my own understanding of what you do. 'cause I know it's your own method, but I hear like a bit of parts work, maybe a bit of internal family systems, a bit of systemic, what is that called? Uh, family constellation. Sorry. So there's like these different elements then I know there's like the full embodiment element, the kinesiology, you are clearly a healer and you can actually feel and engage in the energy of the person.
[00:34:33] So it's like a smorgasborg of healing modalities,
[00:34:37] Dr. Liz Letchford: I'm telling you. Yeah. It took me a while to be like, well, what do I call myself? I'm like, I'll figure that out. I don't know. Body whisper. I started calling what I do, archetypal, harmonics. Um, so the practice of like, when I work, when I mentor with someone, they sign a contract for archetypal harmonics.
[00:34:56] Amanda Parker: Love that by the way. Yeah,
[00:34:58] Dr. Liz Letchford: yeah. Love that. Thanks. Thanks. Um, but it really just comes down to where, where are you hungry? What, what, what archetype is starved? What archetype is thirsty? What archetype is hungry? How can we nurture that? And that's what's so fun for me 'cause I can then, if someone's mo, most everyone's dark.
[00:35:18] Parts are thirsty. Mm-hmm. And so once I realized this, you know, I'm like, you can go to anyone for physical therapy. You can go to anyone for, for psychotherapy. I'm like, but where can you go to like really play out these really dark, not okay, not PC desires. And so in realizing like, whoa, there's really nowhere to go ex and all these people are playing this out in their real life, like causing chaos in their real life just because this part of them is starved.
[00:35:51] I, uh, took a six month dominatrix training course to really understand, okay, where's the one place that people can go to embody the dark and either surrender to it or be the leader? And I was like, oh, the dungeon. Okay, interesting. This isn't, this isn't my personal turn on or my personal preference, but there's something here and let me understand what's happening psychologically.
[00:36:19] Let me understand what's happening physically. So I took a six month, uh, dominatrix course in New York City with Omer Ponty and um, and Lauren Harkness. And I really learned a lot. I saw a lot. I was, I like got a full initiation into the, the, the dark arts, if you will, the dungeon arts. And I played around with, you know, with, with that for a little.
[00:36:45] And then, uh, all my other part, once I embodied the dark feminine, all of my other parts had a lot to say about that. And so I, I took a year off and allowed my inner child to really finally take her time and be okay with me causing pain to be okay with me raising my voice to be okay with me taking up space.
[00:37:09] You know, my, we all have our own stories, you know, my childhood story, I wasn't able to do any of those things. It was very bad. And so it took her a long time to be able to come to terms with like, okay, little one. This is actually leadership. This is, this is strong feminine leadership, and I know we have very few references for this.
[00:37:32] And so now I teach a course called Dominus. I walk people through women who are very interested in really this embodiment from a leadership perspective. So in this current cohort, I have a chef who's learning like not to take, you know, what from her sous chefs or for her, her, her manager or whatnot. And she's learning these like very specific ways where she can be like chef Dom.
[00:37:57] I have, I have a woman who's running a business and she's learning how to lead her business. I have other people who are in many different, who are musicians and whatnot, um, a nurse and, and they all are creating this leadership archetype. But in our container, we get to play with it and, and create the femdom archetype for them.
[00:38:19] But what I'm. What I'm walking them through that I wish I had in my training was the awareness that each, uh, I use every energy center, so we're starting with the root, then we go in the sacral and so on and so forth, up the chain. And just really illuminating and being with any resistance to this archetype as it comes up.
[00:38:38] And giving them tools to be able to know somatic tools to be able to know, identify, and understand. And then alchemize creatively any resistance to their leadership, their strong leadership, the one that's willing to really fight, the one that's willing to really say something, the one that's really willing to sting.
[00:38:58] Oh my gosh. A world where more women aren't afraid of, of using their voice is a world that I would like to live in.
[00:39:05] Amanda Parker: Yeah. And also to be able to explore that in a, a safe place, but. I mean, I am just thinking as you're talking, I'm thinking of my own life experience. Like that would be extremely helpful in multiple scenarios.
[00:39:19] Just not just through business, right? It's through business relationships, friendships.
[00:39:23] Dr. Liz Letchford: Oh, relationships.
[00:39:24] Family,
[00:39:24] Dr. Liz Letchford: family
[00:39:24] Amanda Parker: dynamics.
[00:39:25] Dr. Liz Letchford: Everything. Everything. It's so cool to hear everyone's stories because they're like, oh, this situation that always happens. It's been looping since I was a child. Just happened.
[00:39:34] But I reacted differently. They did the same exact thing, but my body is still, and I'm like, welcome to peace. Yeah. This is, this is the, oh my
[00:39:43] Amanda Parker: gosh. Yeah.
[00:39:43] Dr. Liz Letchford: This is the clarity. 'cause you're not fighting this war internally, so you start to have more energy and cognitive energy to make deci make different decisions or make bolder decisions that help lead that person into nervous system regulation.
[00:39:58] Amanda Parker: It's so interesting. I had an experience just. Two weeks ago, and I was leading a shamanic journey for a group of women, and I have been drumming for myself, and I've been in drumming circles and I've guided like clients and small groups. But in this moment, there was something that really shifted for me because I've been wanting to step so much more into leadership in that space.
[00:40:23] Not specifically in shamanic healing, but just, yeah, in my own leadership and how I'm guiding people because I can do it and I do it really well, but there's so much nervousness that comes before, and in this moment it was just so crystal clear for me. Yeah. It was literally like I, I didn't even question it.
[00:40:46] It was such a huge shift from past behavior that I just knew in that moment I could hold the room, I could lead the room, I could drum, like I felt really connected to my drum and the energy and the women there. It was such a different experience and I can just like listening to what you're sharing, that is how that felt for me based on the story that I'm understanding.
[00:41:10] And it was like really magical. Like to actually be in my power in front of that room, trusting myself, guiding, leading. Even when I messed up the drum beat and was like shit, and then had to get back on the beat and it was fine. You know,
[00:41:29] Dr. Liz Letchford: more moments like that, that is that there's like a full exhale in my system when a woman steps in and claims her power.
[00:41:39] And it's magic when it's your turn and you are the leader and you know it and you claim it and you don't hesitate and you're in it and everyone agrees, oh, that is so, so beautiful. And we live in a system that. We are like, this person has the title of leader, so let's, they're in charge. Let's give all of our power away to them.
[00:42:08] And I just, every part of lifelong
[00:42:11] Amanda Parker: story
[00:42:11] Dr. Liz Letchford: rebels against that. I'm like, they haven't earned it. And I see that same pattern of you've given your leadership, your authority away to this person who hasn't earned it. I saw that in BDSM culture with doms, who weren't really attuning to their, their submissives.
[00:42:28] I see this in relationships with, with all genders who are giving their power away to this weird attachment situation that they have. Like, this person is also a wounded child. Why are you letting them lead? I'm like, oh. 'cause that's who's leading your life like you guys. Um, I see this definitely in the workplace where.
[00:42:49] These, these managers, these CEOs are so, like on their, their only validation is the title. They've given themself and founding this company, and now they're tyrants. And so they, they're hiring people who are geniuses, but they, they have to believe that they're idiots so that they can be the best. I see this happen all the time, and so it's the dominatrix training, but specifically the holistic slow birth into this archetype and the reharmonization of this archetype that allowed me to be just very clear, to see very clearly power dynamics and, and manipulation and co covert like.
[00:43:35] Tendencies of people and the shadow. I just like went, I got like waterboarded by the underworld. Unconsensually, you know, I like broke. I, I had, I had a very, very difficult traumatic awakening experience, but I'm grateful to it because I just got, my eyes were just opened all at once. Now I can't unsee it.
[00:43:57] So I really, what, what really turns me on, what makes me feel like you did with the drums is when I at the right moment illuminate a pattern for somebody, especially a woman, and be like, they actually don't have power over you. Can you feel where, where they're actually their weakness, you're relegating your authority to their weakness.
[00:44:21] Isn't that interesting? And they're like, oh my God, that moment. I'm just like, that's me on the drum.
[00:44:28] Amanda Parker: Yeah,
[00:44:30] Dr. Liz Letchford: I love that.
[00:44:33] Amanda Parker: You're gonna have to get a drum too if you don't have one. Yes,
[00:44:35] Dr. Liz Letchford: please. Yes,
[00:44:37] Amanda Parker: please.
[00:44:38] Dr. Liz Letchford: Mine be a drum set though. It'll be like a shamanic drum set.
[00:44:43] Amanda Parker: Well, honestly, I've got, um, I have a necklace that rattles.
[00:44:47] I've got bracelets, ankles. You can have the works. You know,
[00:44:50] Dr. Liz Letchford: she's a walkin symphony. I like it.
[00:44:54] Amanda Parker: So I would love to hear from you. What, what is your definition of healing? What does that look like to you?
[00:45:07] Dr. Liz Letchford: I feel very simply. When you were once afraid of something you're no longer afraid of. I feel very, very, that that's a very simple definition for me, where I was once had no idea what was going on. I was looking to other people for my authority. I was trying to, I've been trying to center myself. I've been trying.
[00:45:35] So you see where, just because I was afraid of something, so where I was once afraid, I now am unafraid and I've cultivated a love. I've cultivated who I really am. That to me is healing.
[00:45:49] Amanda Parker: Oof. I have never heard that definition. That is beautiful. It's really, yeah, that's a very powerful framing. I often think of it as like coming back home to myself, but that can mean so many things, you know?
[00:46:08] Actually recognizing that you're no longer afraid. Like even in the story I just shared about the drumming, like recognizing that I wasn't afraid or nervous or trying to prove myself or anything else leading that room that was healing.
[00:46:25] Dr. Liz Letchford: Yeah, and if we think about, I always like to expand the definition of like, okay, that's a, that's my personal mental health healing perhaps.
[00:46:34] But what about society? What is the definition of a healed society? It's, I feel like maybe it's a different definition or it's the next step after we're unafraid of the different parts of society. We're unafraid of each other. We're unafraid of one another is actually a system that functions in integrity without entropy, which just means like in a very inefficient system, a system that wastes energy, a system that functions efficiently.
[00:47:07] Healing. So the leaders who are meant to lead are rotating in their leadership. You know, the ones who are like so gifted at the jobs they have to do are in the jobs they're supposed to do. The, the earth is being cared for. That is a system to me that is healed. But on the way there, I think like we, we must face the things we're afraid of and have leaders who can stand in the face of what, what our, our whole nervous system is like danger, danger.
[00:47:37] Um, in order to walk us into where we would have chosen war and actually choose peace,
[00:47:46] Amanda Parker: there are going to be people who are listening to this who don't live in London. So even if they would love to come, um, you know, is there, are there any like resources or influences that you could share, like when you were maybe starting your journey, authors that you read or.
[00:48:07] Podcasts, you listen to something that starts to tap into the energy of this work for someone who is really just starting to understand what you're sharing with us.
[00:48:19] Dr. Liz Letchford: So my story is that when I first started, I had no idea what was going on. So I looked to other spiritual practices, I looked to other religions, and ultimately they led me further away from myself, um, because it wasn't right for me in the moment.
[00:48:35] Um, I needed a place to express versus some, versus, I don't know what else was happening, um, like adopting somebody else's religion, which didn't really work. Um, so
[00:48:48] Amanda Parker: Oh, you've tried that too?
[00:48:49] Dr. Liz Letchford: Okay. Yeah, absolutely. I was like, oh, that makes sense. And I, and then all of a sudden I'm like, wait, that doesn't make sense for me anymore.
[00:48:56] Um, what I, this is actually the, the. The reason I created Spiro Kinetics, which is a breath movement practice, it is at the heart of Body Church. Um, there are free classes online. Um, we are Body Church on YouTube. Um, and it's a breath practice that teaches you how to contain yourself while also allowing for whatever, you don't have to have to name it, whatever archetype is wanting to be expressed in the moment.
[00:49:27] It allows the energy to dance without you getting carried away by it. So for those of you who have very sensitive nervous systems like I did, and you just feel swept away by all the energies of the universe, and you feel the pole and you feel the magnetism, we must be very careful because our open systems are then able to be influenced by a system that isn't healed, A system that isn't centering love, that isn't in your best interest.
[00:49:53] So I realized that the hard way and I just had to. Create a way to, to lead myself even though I was blind and I learned that the breath is the best way to do that. The breath, your breath is something that's both consciously controlled and unconsciously controlled. And that's really the, the only, like I was the, it was like my only teacher was, my breath was nature because I was dealing in both the conscious and the unconscious at the same time.
[00:50:24] So the breath movement practice, it anchors, um, spiral motion or fascial release motion and realignment, as well as muscular contraction led by your breath. So it's intuitive movement guided by your breath. And it saved my life. It, it slowly started to re-architect my entire being all the way through mind, body, soul.
[00:50:46] And it's the reason that I, I believe in it so deeply and, and. Especially for those people who aren't just awakening into their gifts and are flying away off into Lala land. Um, or they're like, I wanna trust this teacher. Maybe it's because I don't know what I'm talking about. I have a weird feeling. And you just, you're like, how do I, how do I know what to believe?
[00:51:07] I'm obviously blind. This person claims to know you always check in with the sensation that I teach in the Spiro kinetics breath. So that's what I would recommend first is just get yourself a, uh, a tool to be able to ask your body, ask your being, is this the right teacher for me? So I don't wanna recommend a teacher other than your own breath.
[00:51:33] It's the best teacher there is.
[00:51:35] Amanda Parker: Oh, that's, that's incredible. And that is the perfect, uh, resource. So it really is about. How do I even embark on this? And everything you're describing, I mean, I see myself in so much of that, right? Like searching for the teachers. This person says they know what they're doing.
[00:51:52] Please, just like, I hope you know what you're doing 'cause I'm ready. And trying continuously to find that feeling outside of myself and not being able to, and just being frustrated over and over until I finally learn the lessons that it's not gonna come from anyone outside. So that's like. Yeah, that is the perfect answer, and I will link to everything that you have shared in the show notes, so you'll be able to find information on Body Church on how to work with Dr.
[00:52:27] Liz, and also how to tune into this. It's called Spyro Energetics. Yes. Could you say that again?
[00:52:34] Dr. Liz Letchford: SPI Spiro Kinetics is the method.
[00:52:36] Amanda Parker: Spiro Kinetics. Thank you. So that you'll be able to watch that and find We are Body Church on YouTube as well. I didn't ask you about this, but Body Church is run regularly in London, is that right?
[00:52:50] Dr. Liz Letchford: Yes. So I hold, uh, in this current season, I hold Sunday service classes. I love that. And it's really a service. It is a Sunday service, and I host that in Mayfair at a beautiful place called Volt 50. Um. We're always, you know, moving to different locations and, and offering it to different populations. Yeah, you can find out more about that.
[00:53:16] Um, check out YouTube, check out the We Are Body Church on YouTube. And then the best place to follow me is of course, my website, my mailing list@drelizabethlove.com. Um, so we didn't talk about this, but a result of a result of me doing Body Church so much, uh, it, it opened a really profound gift of being able to channel freestyle poetry from who knows where.
[00:53:40] Uh, and so, yeah, so Dr. Elizabeth Love Is, or Dr. Love is my artist name, and I sit and I just, you know, prescribe poetry to those who are. You know, to the soul, it's a medicine of the soul. So, um, that's my artist name, Dr. Elizabeth Love, and that's where you can find me on, um, all social media and on the web.
[00:54:03] Amanda Parker: Okay. Well, thank you for dropping that golden nugget in here too, because now I'm like, wait, there's so many more elements, but that will be a second conversation.
[00:54:13] Dr. Liz Letchford: Yeah. We'll try again. Yeah.
[00:54:16] Amanda Parker: Um, yeah. Is there anything, um, for someone who's just starting out on this journey, maybe they find themselves, you know, like, like a client as you've described, really.
[00:54:26] Like they've tried everything, they've really tried everything, and they're just really at a loss for what to do next and how to get the support or how to support themselves in the best way. Is there advice or wisdom that you would have to share with them?
[00:54:43] Dr. Liz Letchford: Find somebody who embodies the part of you, you know?
[00:54:49] You're called to step into, and though they may not be your teacher, um, learn from them. Feel yourself and how you feel about them. Do you, are you jealous of them? That's a really good place to start. Like, oh, jealousy is just, I wanna do that too. You know? That's it. And so that's a really good place to start.
[00:55:13] Um, yeah, it's a really difficult, but I, I just, I feel I was there. I really feel for you if you are feeling very lost, and I promise you, if you learn first and foremost how to connect to your body without dogma, without. Somebody else's belief overlaid upon that. If we get really down to the roots of all healing modalities, it is frequency, light, and sound.
[00:55:41] Married to belief of a culture. So your culture, yes, your blood lineage is beautiful cornucopia of different cultures and beliefs, but those beliefs were the art of the time and we live in a different time. So mad respect if, if you feel it's true for you to live in the art of your ancestral past and that feels resonant to you and you want to honor that, that's really important.
[00:56:09] The wisdom carriers are very important to bring those old songs into the modern era, and what I realized is I didn't belong doing that. I belonged. Honoring my heritage. So I moved to England. I'm, I'm like 70% English blood, honoring my heritage while creating new rituals, while creating the new art that can reorient us towards love.
[00:56:35] So I just really hope, you know, if you're, if you're seeking and you haven't yet found a place like you are, the center you love is the center, and when you are centered and you are in harmony, you start attracting other people who are really, they really want love to be at the center of whatever it is they're creating.
[00:56:57] Whether it's a baby or a business or a community or a garden. That, that is what's gonna change you. That is what's going to, you know, I am doing air quotes, heal you. Um, yeah. And it starts with you. It starts with your breath, it starts with unpacking your beliefs. So choose. People who are doing similar things that you want to do, and they may be in completely different arenas.
[00:57:25] Like, I really wa to give you just an example, I was like, I would cry watching burlesque artists, you know, like, forget shamans. I was like, I was like those girls with the feather fans and the rhinestones, like my heart opened so deeply and then I really was, was very, very turned on by like people who were very much honoring their indigenous culture and their drums and their feathers.
[00:57:52] And, and you can start to see the bridge of like, oh, modern entertainment and expression and beauty and indigenous culture and heritage, huh. And so that started to weave a very unique path for me. So. If you don't feel resonant with one particular thing, maybe it's a mashup babe. Maybe it's a, maybe it's a mixed pot of whatever you are meant to bring to this world, and may you find peace in that.
[00:58:19] That
[00:58:20] Amanda Parker: is. Beautiful and incredible. I'm definitely gonna take those words to heart myself when we are closing out and think of, okay, what is that mashup? Because I have never been able to describe it succinctly ever. Yeah. That is such beautiful. Um. Yeah, wisdom. Just to round up this incredible conversation, are there any last words or tidbits you feel need to be shared with the world?
[00:58:47] Dr. Liz Letchford: Oh, I think at, you know, for you as you're discovering what it is, just like what makes you cry? Those like happy, like makes your heart swell and just start to like, take note of that. Like I said, for me I was like in a bur I was in Crazy Horse in Paris, which please look it up. It's the most beautiful thing for me.
[00:59:04] I'm like, that's the temple of my dreams. You know, it's just like beauty and dancing. Um, and I just was sobbing the whole time. Like, what? So, so that's always my clue whenever I have that, like, oh, I have that tears and that heart swell, that's, I'm like, okay, let me take note. And they're all these different, so all these different moments and you write 'em all down and you can start to be like, oh, that makes now.
[00:59:33] I'm excited. Please keep me updated on what makes your heartwell over the next
[00:59:38] Amanda Parker: couple. You should. You should see me when I see cats. Oh my God.
[00:59:40] Dr. Liz Letchford: Uh oh, really? Wow. That's, that's deep. That's deep. We go into, oh gosh. That's, that's a whole nother conversation. Yeah. The, the cat, the house cat in particular.
[00:59:54] Amanda Parker: Mm-hmm.
[00:59:55] Dr. Liz Letchford: Yeah. Interesting.
[00:59:56] Amanda Parker: Well, yeah. Okay. We'll take this one offline. No. Um,
[00:59:59] Dr. Liz Letchford: yeah. Next time. Next time.
[01:00:02] Amanda Parker: Well, thank you so, so much for sharing your Yeah, well, incredible wisdom, but also like your unique genius because everything you've created is just, I mean, it's just so much you and it's such a gift that you're offering in the world.
[01:00:19] And also for me, it's super inspiring just to listen to how you've woven together all these pieces. And I am certain for everyone listening as well, who are like creating their own path forward. Um. It's incredibly inspiring to see how much you've built. I see. Like a lot of new visuals are coming through for me on that.
[01:00:39] Dr. Liz Letchford: Ooh,
[01:00:40] Amanda Parker: yeah. I know we're in a phase of creation over here.
[01:00:44] Dr. Liz Letchford: Ooh.
[01:00:45] Amanda Parker: Um, yeah. But thank you for your time and joining us, and thank you to everyone who has been listening along to this wild conversation, and I will see you all next time.
[01:00:58] Dr. Liz Letchford: Thank you. Thank you, Amanda.
[01:01:00] Amanda Parker: Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for tuning into today's episode of Don't Step on the Blue Bells.
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