Transcript #014 - Ancestors

Koen Silver Wolf Drum - Healing with Ancestors (#014)

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#014 - Koen Silver Wold Drum - Healing with Ancestors - Episode Transcript

Wolf Drum: [00:00:00] In the old days, but in still in indigenous cultures, it's still that way. The ancestors have a certain place. They're still being honored because they know the way or they have the wisdom how to live on the earth. So, uh, talking about original thought, the original way of living, and even though it's not fixed and it doesn't have a certain form, so it doesn't get, um, dogmatic, you know, but there is an openness to the environment, there's an openness to the trees, there's an openness to the earth, um, the stones, to the animals, and in that openness, there's this connection, and in this connection, there's this,

Amanda Parker: Welcome to Don't Step on the Bluebells, the podcast where personal healing and transformation takes center stage. I'm your host, Amanda Parker, and I'm a fellow seeker on the journey of personal growth. Join me as I delve into the stories of gifted healers, guides, and everyday people who have experienced remarkable [00:01:00] transformations.

Listen in as they share their practical wisdom to enrich your everyday life. And don't forget to hit subscribe and never miss a new episode. Welcome to today's episode of Don't Step on the Bluebells, where I'm speaking with the remarkable Koen Silver, also known as Wolf Drum. Wolf Drum is a healer, ceremonial leader, and teacher who's continuously exploring new ways for people to open up, heal, and understand the truth of their existence, moving past the boundaries of the small self.

Wolf Drum's journey into the Unseen Realms began at a young age, and he's since developed a powerful ability to communicate with the spirits of nature and our ancestral lineages. In this conversation, we dive into his unique approach to healing, the importance of returning to our authentic selves, and the role of rituals and ceremonies in transformation.

Get ready to expand your understanding of what's possible when we open up to the guidance and [00:02:00] wisdom of the Unseen World. Let's dive in. I am honored to be here with Koen Silver Wolf Drum. I'm thrilled to have this conversation. You came to mind through a mutual connection that we both have. So we're here today really just to dive a bit deeper into what actually it means to work with ancestors, how that shows up, and a bit about your story of how you came to connect with this really powerful Energy and support system.

So I am so thankful that you've said yes, and that you're here with me today

Wolf Drum: Thank you very much. Yes

Amanda Parker: So, just to bring us into the space a little bit, I'd love to ask you where exactly you are based in the world.

Wolf Drum: Yeah, I'm based in the Netherlands, and my practice in the east of the Netherlands is close to the German border.

Amanda Parker: Before we start diving into a bit more of your history The topic for today [00:03:00] might be something that's quite new or different for a lot of the listeners here. Can you explain what are the ancestors? What does that actually mean?

Wolf Drum: Yeah, so, so we are mostly used about ancestors that you're talking about your mother, father, grandmother, grandfather, and this whole lineage like this.

We do work with that. Mostly what we do is we, we align the ancestors that know. So that means that we are living in a strange time now, I see it, right? So we came like from the dark ages, almost, um, uh, coming into a time of awakening. And, uh, um, but there was a time where, where people knew and understood their existence on the earth.

And that time, if you, if you really move over it, then, um, their ancestors, like from 5, 000 years ago, 10, 000 years ago, something like that. And you can align them. [00:04:00] These ancestors very easily spiritually naturally within shamanism, you align the sources, uh, that are that are strong or the sources that know, and it pulls you back into the knowledge, or it pulls you back into the, into the healing.

And, uh, you would never only align a source that is, um, sick or is, um, lost, let's say like this. Yeah. So from this, from this alignment, you, you work with the, with the beings that know, and they, they guide you in the, in the healing, in this case.

Amanda Parker: So what I understand is in our modern world, a lot of people are used to talking about our immediate family, the people who are around us, or the people we know who maybe even have passed on.

And when you're talking about the ancestors, you're going actually beyond. So it's really about all of these ancestors down our lineage for many, many years that hold a lot of [00:05:00] wisdom about the world and the way that things work and that we as humans are able to actually connect to and work with for healing.

Wolf Drum: Exactly. Yeah. So you jump, you jump over the line, but it doesn't mean that you push the direct ancestors, let's say out, you know, they're all, they're all taken. along, but, um, it has to, they have to support your purpose of what you're doing. So if you're healing, it has to support your healing. Um, then you don't get stuck in the, in the, in the places where there's confusion.

You always go to the place where knowledge is or the place where the healing comes from.

Amanda Parker: I guess some people listening might think well I'd like to get rid of the living ones. No, I'm just kidding. That'd probably make healing easier, and speaking of healing, maybe you can tell me, you know, what is your definition of [00:06:00] healing?

What do you see healing to mean?

Wolf Drum: I, I do see healing as a transformation, but it is a realignment with, uh, with, uh, the unending self or the purity of self, but you include the physical body as well. So, so that means that, um, how I see sickness is like a, it's a misunderstanding about who you are and what life is.

So you're making conclusion of. You know, I mean, there are different, different things that can happen. Of course, you know, why you get sick, but, uh, the healing, uh, has a part of reclaiming your life and let's say, reclaiming your true face in that part of your life. And if you, if you do a healing and you don't get that piece, uh, included in it, then it gets back, you know, the, the, the healing is not complete.

So the person can fall or create or. get into the same pattern [00:07:00] and recreate the sickness.

Amanda Parker: So there's also this idea about healing and I also work in a healing space, so I have my own idea of what a quote unquote healing actually is. Mm-Hmm. . But I've had a lot of different guests on the podcast. Yeah, sure.

Who work in such different ways. Yeah. So what do you think it means if someone goes through a healing or someone is quote unquote healed? Actually, does that mean.

Wolf Drum: Wow, that has many layers, right? Um,

Amanda Parker: yeah, yeah.

Wolf Drum: So I would start at the top. Yeah, I would, I would say if you, if you go to the, to the, um, completeness, then it's, it's about complete being.

So that means you don't put any interference in, in your unending, self and your physical reality where you are here. So that's in the, that's in the ideal situation, you [00:08:00] know, but the part of healing or the part of completion, this is all road of walking and understanding and changing your life accordingly.

Yeah. So, so it's not an, uh, it's not a fixed state. I would say your unending self is not fixed. So it's always moving and always transforming by itself already.

Amanda Parker: So someone could, for example, you know, thinking about our modern society, right? Someone is working really hard in a corporate job and they're feeling like they're burning out or they're just doing work that really doesn't feel aligned and they're unhappy.

Wolf Drum: Yeah.

Amanda Parker: What could healing mean in that situation? Or what could it look like for them to just feel better?

Wolf Drum: Well, complete healing, they should change their jobs. They should change. Yeah. I mean,

Amanda Parker: I say that.

Wolf Drum: You know, if you don't take away the, the source, you know, but that's, [00:09:00] that's the thing. Uh, before that. So you get like tricked to do something that you actually don't feel like doing and that gives already like, uh, interference if in, in your, in your being and that stress or that disharmony that could create, you know, even a physical illness, but I mean, even the psychological illness is already there because you're completely in a stress situation.

So, um, Yeah. You're choosing it because you believe you have to do it. So you made a conclusion that you're moving in a direction because it's asked from you, maybe from your parents, maybe from society. You know, they, they, they think you have to, uh, only develop the, the, the mental part of your being, you know, and they don't take the heart in account.

They don't take the, the, the body in account and all these things. They're out of balance already. So. Yeah, sure. It gives sickness. Well, look at, look, look in society. I mean, it's, [00:10:00] uh, yeah, it's not the way it should be in my eyes, you know?

Amanda Parker: Yeah. I think it's, it's a really good point that so many people. Just listen to the pressure of the external world, their family, their parents, their friends, and feel that they have to follow a certain path, even though, as you say, it's literally making them sick.

Wolf Drum: Yeah, yeah, and it motivates them probably, you know, there's a part of it that they're afraid to be alone, they're afraid to be rejected, you know, there's always something behind it. And that's, you know, if you go to a healing and you have to take that also, you, you claim that's that piece back. So that means that you have to understand the truth that you can never be alone, for instance.

You know, so there's, there's another, um, we call it original thought as an original thought behind it, that, that moves to reality and yeah. And to understand that or to see that, or to have this wow moment, you know, like, uh, This insight, [00:11:00] oh shit, this is true, and now I can change my life, you know, if you don't have a good reference, it's very hard to change your life.

Amanda Parker: I love, um, that word that you use, which is, is it original thought that you said?

Wolf Drum: Yeah.

Amanda Parker: Are there examples of what an original thought is? Because I'm sure, listening, I'm like, oh yeah, okay, so what are those so I can check off which ones I have?

Wolf Drum: You could call it, um, pure thoughts of, of consciousness self, but I mean, You get fixed in these ideas and that creates the reality, right?

And, uh, so there are these ideas about, uh, for instance, uh, everyone, everyone or anyone will leave me. Always, you know, I've, I got left when I was young, you know, by my parents or, or whatever. And at a certain point it becomes an, an idea and a, and a fixation and it starts to create. So even at this point, everyone will leave you, you know, but if you really look into it and you and you look to the truth of your [00:12:00] being, and you look behind that conclusion that you made, because of this, this experience, you know, there's truth behind it that actually you are connected to everything.

And that's true. You cannot change that, but you have to see it, and then you can become it, and then, you know, then you're out of the trap. So, that's what I mean with, um, mis misconclusions about life, which starts to fix it. But, to let it go, well, asks a lot, you know. And, uh, and there's a lot of fear with it, you know, so, uh, yeah, it's not, it's not always an easy thing.

So the best way how I see it to really, that you really are able to let it go is you have like an reference where you can experience the state that you are connected. And then you think, Hey, but this is real, you know, this is, this is really there. And then you [00:13:00] can let go this misconception of the church.

Not connected or you can be abandoned the whole time or, or yeah, whatever.

Amanda Parker: Yeah, that's a lot of people are operating on fear. I mean, I have my own fears, of course, that still impact me and the thoughts come up and when they do, it's really hard to navigate through that. And I know for me on this journey of growth and transformation and my own healing journey, it's taken me to a lot of different healers, a lot of different techniques and modalities and trying to find the right way to get in.

And I'd say that. what I've learned over the course, I mean, even just through the podcast and the incredible people that I get to speak with, that you just have to find the right way to access yourself. Like every healer in the world is bringing you back to your essential self. in different forms, but it's up to you [00:14:00] to really own that and take that forward.

Wolf Drum: Yeah, yeah, that's, that's an important part. The part of the one that's being healed, you know, you cannot do it only with the healer. There's this, there's this like this energetic handshake, you know, at a certain level. And. Um, if you change the reality of the physical body, you can do it as a healer, you know, but if the person doesn't step forward and claims the space back, it, it gets recreated or something else gets created there.

Amanda Parker: So if you were to share a bit, like imagine you're speaking to your five year old self and you're explaining to. Five year old wolf drum, although he might not have had that name back then. So you're explaining to little Koen what it is that you do in the world. How would you describe your work?

Wolf Drum: Well, if it's five years old, I wouldn't say so much, you know?

Yeah, I would say like, I would say it's like, stay open, speak to my [00:15:00] five year old and stay in this flow. Don't get fixed and don't believe a word you say, you're, you're hearing from the, from the grownups, you know,

Amanda Parker: it's not true.

Wolf Drum: It's not true. No. You, you, you. You know, I remember that I was a kid, you know, I wanted to be like the grownups in a way, even though I could see that there were sometimes 2d, 3d in the way of thinking, you know, you want to, you want to grow, you want to be part of the society, you want to be something, there was a moment that I could really, I feel.

I can say that in English, screwed, you know, like, like when I, when I realized that I had stuck in a situation that I'd actually felt like this is not worth it. And before I was more in this flow of, of just being, and I would say if I. look back now from the position that I'm now. Um, and you're looking at all this, all this kids, you know, growing up at a certain point, it gets stuck in an, [00:16:00] in an, in a certain idea of, of, of what their lives is or what they should be.

And then they're busy half their lives to, to get back to the state of, um, being without that fixation and, and without this, uh, stuff. So my, my My words to my five year old kids would be like stay in the flow and, uh, and stay in your heart and don't get tricked. I mean, if you, if you talk about ancestors and, and, and ancestors are, um, in the old days, but in still in indigenous cultures is still that way.

The ancestors have a certain place. They're still being honored because they know the way or they have the wisdom how to live on the earth. So, uh, talking about original thought, the original way of living, and even though it's not fixed and it doesn't have a certain form, so it doesn't get, um, dogmatic, you know, but there is an openness to the [00:17:00] environment, there's an openness to the trees, there's an openness to the earth, um, the stones, to the animals, and in that openness, there's this connection, and in this connection, there's this Harmony, which is unending.

And even that realization, uh, which is so simple, like being open on a place of nature, and then it's easy to experience, but being open, you feel the connectedness and this harmony, it lifts you up into a state of, of the unending harmony of your own being, let's say. So it's like a direction finder of who you truly are.

And then from that position, you start living on the earth. Thank you. Everything you do become medicine. Uh, so I see a lot of the sickness that I see around me is because of, we don't have an education anymore that aligns you with your own medicines or your own purpose or your own gifts that you have.

Um, and learns you, uh, that you are. Part of something bigger here on the earth and that you [00:18:00] are connected. And like, even in the Christianity, you have this part that they, I mean, not, not everywhere, you know, but there's a part of it that says like, people are above of the animals in the, yeah. And I think that's a, that's already.

big disturbance, you know, if you really believe that and what it creates.

Amanda Parker: It's, that was a very bold statement because I am such a fanatical animal lover that, you know, even walking down the street if I see Someone shooing away or like chasing a pigeon. I'm angry. I'm like, leave them. What's wrong with the pigeon?

Why can't he just enjoy his life?

Wolf Drum: I'm the same.

Amanda Parker: Yeah Preaching to the choir over here as they say

Wolf Drum: yeah, so that's You know, if you, if you're open and you understand that and you're, you're [00:19:00] communicating with an animal and the wisdom that is in there. So at one, at one time I had an encounter with a mountain sheep and it was in Montana.

These, uh, sheep are really big and, uh, And there they have, well, you know, the sheep, they have this eyes, you know, they have this, this open doors, like this, like this vertical lines that are looking through and there's a black hole behind it, you know, but if you, so I had, I was walking on this part on a trail in the glacier park and a beautiful, beautiful place.

And this animal was standing in front of me, maybe five meters in front of me like this. And I was looking at his eyes and he was, he was talking, but he, he showed me that he still remembered. that the people were in open communication with the, with the surrounding. So even, even an animal, I mean, and nowadays the people that come there, they're all tourists, you know, so they're just busy with their pictures and their cameras and stuff like that.

So they're [00:20:00] not really, well, I don't know for everyone, but a lot of them are not communicating. And this, but the sheep, even though maybe it was 10 years old, or I don't know how old it is, could remember still from ages ago, how the people were walking, um, in an, uh, in an harmony with the earth, let's say like this.

And it was reminding it to me, you know, like, Hey, we still remember and we waiting for the people to return.

Amanda Parker: So I just want to pause for a moment because I think a lot of people wouldn't understand or know that you can actually communicate with animals in that way.

Wolf Drum: Okay. I'm so used to it. So that's, that's, uh, that's, that's the thing, you know, so I think it's an, uh, it's a, it's the most natural state of being that you can communicate with everything around you.

And I think it's already happening, but because of the [00:21:00] mind is we put the focus on the mind in between, um, which is a primitive tool, in my opinion, um, you get stuck, you know, but there is still communication going on and you can see it with the children. They're communicating with everything, talking to the flowers, singing to the flowers, to the animals.

They're, you know, they're all constantly communicating or constantly, uh, in connection with. Yeah. So it's, it's not. With words communicating, but it's with it's with conscious thought or presence.

Amanda Parker: Yeah, I love that and I love Also, just that it's so Natural and it's something that's so a part of who you are.

Yeah, it's in in my own work I'm helping a lot of people connect to I change the words, right, depending on who I'm speaking with so that they can understand it's either intuition or inner wisdom or connecting to themselves. And there is a time when I wasn't actually connected to that. So as a [00:22:00] kid, I was then I grew up and I learned everything I thought and felt was, you know, wrong, or I shouldn't listen to it, I couldn't trust it.

And so I had to relearn that relationship and relearn that connection with Okay, what does it mean to actually listen to myself instead of, you know, reading a book or asking a mentor or finding a teacher or whatever else. And recently, I've been playing with how do I teach someone to trust that voice, and it can become really hard.

It wasn't that long ago that I was still in the dark, you know, it's been, I've been back a few years. But it can be really hard to know or remember what it was like when that connection wasn't. there. And when, and now I sit here and I say, but my intuition is, it's just there. I just know, I feel it. And then it's really dissecting.

Why? What do I feel? How do I feel it? How did I learn that?

Wolf Drum: Yeah. And do you have it clear? How did you learn it again? [00:23:00] 

Amanda Parker: Um, I mean, it's been continuous. practice. It's really been a process of sort of believing, not believing, trying things out, seeing what happens, and then really just practicing consciously, practicing, practicing until it becomes unconscious.

Wolf Drum: Yeah. Yeah.

Amanda Parker: So, I think for me, I mean, and I trained, like, I took psychic courses, like, there's a local college here called the College of Psychic Studies, I've taken shamanic, uh, workshops, so a lot of that is learning how to connect and just trust, and the minute you start second guessing yourself, the connection's lost.

So you have to just trust and see and then, you know, maybe watch the person in front of you to see if they go, wow, or like, no, that's not true at all. And just keep building from there. So in short, no, it's not perfectly clear yet. But [00:24:00] I'm working on it.

Wolf Drum: Yeah. Yeah. It's a process right now.

Amanda Parker: In the work that you do in the world today, If someone says, you know, that they need help or support, why would they come to you?

What is it that you're actually doing with people now?

Wolf Drum: Yeah, I think the biggest part is to help them remember. But I mean, it's, people come with a, so it's, it's different, but I'm not so easy to find. That's what, that's one thing. So I'm trying to change it, but, um, but it has a good part of it, you know? So the people that come to you, they are very much motivated.

So they come through other people or sometimes I have no idea where they're coming from, but they are always motivated. And, um, and that's that, I think that's already the key part. There was a time where I was part of a association for, you know, that, that, that helps you and in a way that also people could like have a [00:25:00] financial support.

you know, if they would have a healing with me or a session with me that they could have a financial support from the insurance. And I canceled that after a year, I didn't like it. And the reason was that it was from a dependence of, you know, and I wanted them to come themselves and to make an offering.

And, you know, I'm, I'm not, I'm not fixed with prices, but there needs to be an offering made and they really need to. Come because they want to change. And if I had a, had a phone call from a, from a woman a few times, you know, and she was asking me if I could give a healing to her, but she was not open for change.

And I said, well, I can do something for you. It was a heavy case. I can do something for you. Uh, but it means that you have to take your life. I say, claim back your life and change it. You know, uh, I cannot do a healing just for you. You, you, you need to. be open to change. And she was not, uh, she was not. So she hang up the phone, you know, but she tried it [00:26:00] three more times, but in the end she didn't came.

So that means that the people that come to me, they are already motivated and I like it that way. So, so I see it as an omen. If people come to me, there is a motivation already, and then I can, I can do something for them. If it's the whole thing. We'll see, you know, like this, but at least a part of it. And, um, yeah, and it's, it's, it depends.

So some people with, uh, psychological problems, but a lot of people are physical.

Amanda Parker: So there's this interplay, um, and this might be. a bit. I don't know. I'm curious to hear your opinion because there's a lot in like what I would call pop spirituality, which is Instagram spirituality. You might have no idea what I'm talking about.

I love that. Um, so you see a lot of people who are starting a healing journey, or maybe they're somewhere on that journey [00:27:00] and they've discovered probably very valuable tools or insights that have helped them a lot, and they start teaching it, but it's disembodied. It doesn't it's not connected to like a larger practice or belief system.

It's just just breathwork or just manifestation. So these little pieces of what you can do that don't connect to the greater whole. And there's one thing that I see a lot. about surrender and allowing yourself to just surrender and be cared for or be taken care of. And I find that that's really difficult often.

And also listening to what you're sharing, there's always the personal responsibility. So where is the surrender in that? And where is there the element of actual ownership and [00:28:00] personal taking on that responsibility to create the change?

Wolf Drum: Well, it touches a few things that I, that I, uh, because I, I always find it's very interesting this part of, um, surrendering, but not giving your life away.

And this part of claiming your life and not being a in, in, in this little identification, you know, so, and it has this two sides as well, especially when you're sick, you know, I know people that they say, well, you created yourself, you know, they get stuck into guilt and you say, ah, I did it, you know, and, and then they can't get out of it.

But if you say, and that's the other side of it, people, uh, it was an example that I was talking about. The person that says that it's not my fault. Uh, the world did it to me, you know, then you cannot get out of it either because you're stuck there, you know, and there's no responsibility. So there's this, there's this balance, you know, between being kind to yourself and [00:29:00] surrendering, or let's say, uh, um, open to have a clear look at yourself or at your life.

And, uh, and yeah, it is this balance. balance between these two.

Amanda Parker: So I'm a coach. So I work with a lot of people who are feeling quite stuck, you know, and at least in the beginning they're coming in because they don't know, you know, they're feeling stuck in their life or they're feeling trapped and they literally don't know how to move forward.

And there's this one element of pushing, pushing, pushing, trying everything, you know, and it's not working and they're feeling sick. And then this element of like, Okay, I have to just give up. I can't do this. I don't know what else to do. So there's tension on all sides. And I mean, if I'm speaking to someone, at least I'm making the assumption or in conversation, I realized like, they really want the help.

They want things to change. But a lot of people are too afraid to even reach out. So what might you say to someone [00:30:00] who's in that kind of situation that they're really feeling trapped or stuck?

Wolf Drum: Well, um, like, like, for instance, what I think what happens a lot in this, this society, we're being pushed, like you were saying, we're pushed to be something.

Well, look at the social medias, you know, everyone tries to be something and, uh, yeah. That's not the way out of it. You have to go back, you have to go the other way. Where are you coming from? And what are you, you know? So it's, you change the direction instead of trying to be something because it's like an, it's like an empty bubble, you know, at a certain point you get into a burnout, you have to move it around and to, to look back, like, who are you?

And expressing that part. So yeah, if someone comes to me like that, mostly I don't talk, not so much, you know, just ask them to lay down and I just start working on them. And especially if the hat is on, then I, I don't talk at all, you know, like this, [00:31:00] maybe a little bit to comfort them, but that's not, uh, the healing is not in my talking, so I think the, the, the changing around changing direction, that's, that's the main thing.

And that, I mean, that's where the, where the, where the exploration starts, right? I mean, like, who are we? Where are we coming from? Uh, you're talking about the, the path of healing, right? The adventure of healing. I think that's, that's where it starts. If you're open to, to really look into it, like, who are we?

and, and don't judge the feelings that we have and don't judge the thoughts that we have, but look into it and look deeper into it and, and, and, and move it around. But yeah, sure. Most people that come for healing, they already stuck and they feel stuck and they, and they are full with tension on all [00:32:00] sides in, in, in their lives.

So there is a point that you're talking about the need to surrender. So surrendering to a new way of being and also, uh, beyond their expectations of, of their, of their minds, you know, so otherwise they just keep on turning circles in their own head. And, and sometimes there it's needed that you, I mean, like if you go, if you go to a Siberian healing, yeah, they, they, they use a lot of the emotions and the drama, let's say into it, you know, And so, for instance, what they could do, like they, they have a shaman, he, um, he, he calls all his helpers and he makes a lot of noise, you know, and then the person that lays there, there's even family with them, and they're all supporting the healing, but because of all the noise that, you know, the person thinks, shit, this is real, you [00:33:00] know, this is coming to me, whoa, I have to, and they, and they open up.

And they have a surrender, they surrender. So the environment is important for a person to surrender.

Amanda Parker: That's powerful.

Wolf Drum: Yeah. But I know that if you, if you put a, well, you probably experienced it, have seen it, you know, so if you put a hand on someone and there is this, um, healing, uh, intention behind it. you know, this is how I see how it starts.

It starts with the intention of the healer and then all the, the, the helpers come, you know, the light beings, the ancestors, the totems, whatever, you know, depending on the personal, uh, personal connections that the healer has. The body recognizes it and it starts to It starts to surrender.

Amanda Parker: So what would you say is your approach to healing?

Wolf Drum: It's every time it's different, you know, so that's, [00:34:00] so, so it always starts with the intention of healing. Yeah. And what I said, like if someone comes to me, then it's already an omen that I can do something for. And then there's the part of, of surrendering, and mostly the ancestors are there. So that's where, that's where we spoke about the ancestors, right?

I mean, it's just part of it. it's there and and they're very good guides with this and they have their own alignments or spiritual alignments, you know, but They can also change. So at some time, one time I had a healing and I started to sing in some Tibetan voice, you know, like, like, like this. And, and I have never done that.

Never. So, so I asked, I asked the person that was laying down, like, what is it? But he was a Buddhist. I didn't know that. So it was, it was really for him, you know, so sometimes these things happen, but it's like opening a door and. [00:35:00] Um, and the beings that they're supporting are part of it. And of course I have my own alignment.

So some, some beings are there mostly all the time.

Amanda Parker: So the foundation of what you're doing is really rooted in, in shamanic practice. Would you say that or no?

Wolf Drum: I guess so, you know, so when I was a kid, you know, when I was five years old, um, I was still, I was always asked to, to massage people's necks, you know, like this.

So there was already a healing part in me then, and maybe from my 15th year, 16th year, Uh, maybe a little later, I came in contact with spirituality more and the healing part of it. And in the healing part, I always had this feeling that everything is possible. There are no boundaries. So you can heal anything.

You know, and you had the stories of this, uh, Native Americans that could man bones, you [00:36:00] know, just in an instant like, like this. And I knew this is possible, but I wasn't, I wasn't fixed by a certain protocol. So I was just doing my thing. You know, And then opening and exploring while doing it like, like, like this.

And, um, I think it has a positive side to it that I was never fixed in a, in a box. Like it has to be like this, or it has to be like this, or it has to be like this. So my way of practice, it's not fixed, even though it has some, um, it has some things. that are in there. Um, I mean, it's like, it's mostly like in between one hour and three hours.

I, I also don't have a time schedule, so I just keep it open. What is needed is needed, you know, like, like this. It starts always with the healing intention and that opens the door. And then the connections come and I, I work physically also on them. So I have a background as a Thai [00:37:00] massage and massage therapist.

I'm not really using it so much, you know, but it's still there. So I know how to work on the body as well. Sometimes it's very much needed, but. I like to be, uh, in a way physically as well. And yeah, you, you still have no idea what I'm doing. We're getting

Amanda Parker: closer. Yeah.

Wolf Drum: Yeah.

Amanda Parker: Well, what I understand is that from a very young age, so about the age of 15 or 16, you started to really recognize more of a deeper spiritual connection, but you had already been.

feeling into different energetic movement, different energetic practices, so to speak, from a very young age. And if I understand you just kept listening, and you kept growing that connection to see what was actually possible.

Wolf Drum: Was

Amanda Parker: there any point at which you [00:38:00] came across a teacher or some, some kind of practice or study that helped you grow and further what you're doing?

Wolf Drum: Uh, yeah, sure. Yes. Yes. Yes. I had, I had, uh, quite some teachers, yeah. And, um, and so my, so I had a big search, you know, and, uh, especially in my teenage years, I was searching and I guess a lot of people have that, but I was also searching and I could never get. never really find it, you know, never really. And so I also, because you need to study something, you start studying, you know, so I studied architecture and then I quitted that one and then I studied the world's religion.

So, but I also didn't like that, um, because of the mental part and I was so disappointed in the universities and the way of, of, of teaching. And so I really looked for something else. And then I started with natural, uh, [00:39:00] natural healing. Practice with herbs and, and, and also, uh, uh, body work and that stuff.

And that's where I first met, uh, a woman that was from North America and she was doing shamanic, uh, ceremony. And that's where the shamanic thing came in, you know? So, so that was, uh, that was a ceremony, but you had to transform it to a totem. And when I did that, I got all this information on this totem. I said, ah, this is the way.

This is, for me, this is the way to learn, a very natural way, and you can have like a download in, in, in five seconds and learn more than, than, than reading a whole book. So, from that point on, I, I went in the direction of, uh, of shamanic practices, and I worked with Siberian shamans for six years, and, uh, seven years, something like that.

And then I, uh, came to the teacher that is still my teacher and he's from North America. Yeah, I do have a teacher, but they were [00:40:00] also like not, not bound. So, so what I like of, of teaching is that if you have a teacher that teaches you what are your own roads to walk instead of, okay, this is protocol. Now we're going to learn this protocol, no special, uh, healing, this special healing that, and I, I like the way of like understanding or finding your way.

Or, or claiming back your own ability of, of healing or your ability to connect with certain sources for healing by your own taste, you know, by your own, uh, nature. So like, for instance, I remember in a, in a ceremony that was from the Siberians. And, uh, we were walking through the, through the forest. Yeah, I didn't even know if I was making it up myself or that it was an, uh, an exercise or something, you know.

So these things, sometimes they go back and [00:41:00] forth. Um, but, uh, In the end, I was running with all the, the, the nature beings of that forest. I was in fighting them and fighting them and fighting them. And then it would do a healing on someone. And all this beings were there, you know, so I was maybe massaging the feet, but at the same time, all this light beings were on the head, you know, busy and this and that, and, and there was no, there were no rules, you know, it was just.

the intention was healing and everything got along with it. And there was so much support, you know, and it works. Yeah, it works very well. Yeah.

Amanda Parker: So I, I also understood that a lot of what you do, um, And I know this from my own shamanic studies, so I don't want to put you into a box, but you are calling in support and it's not always seen support, physical support in the physical realm, but it's, as you said, nature beings or totems or ancestors, [00:42:00] so what you're doing is showing up with an intention to help someone heal and then you're trusting that the right guides or wisdom or beings are going to be there with you in that space to bring the healing that's needed in that moment.

Wolf Drum: Yeah, I think that's part of it. And the other part is this is my own being doing it. So it changes back and forth. So there's an unending site to everyone and also to me and that's where the healing comes from. So Yeah, like, like this thing you cannot really change the reality from the, from the, from the point where the reality is, uh, getting disturbed, so you have to go beyond it.

And then, then it's easier to change or to let go or, and that's the same with healing.

Amanda Parker: Maybe you can share an example or a story of A transformation that you have facilitated is [00:43:00] there. You can maintain confidentiality. You don't have to share names, but are there any stories you might be able to share to help?

illustrate what's actually possible here.

Wolf Drum: Yeah. I still think everything is possible. So that's, that's, that, yeah. And I,

Amanda Parker: I bring, bring our listeners along.

Wolf Drum: Yeah. I'm just looking, you know, um, Because it has all these different layers. I mean, I mean, I can like say like, I know people that, that, that had problems with the thyroid, you know, and they wanted to put it down and it just was over like this.

Um, and, uh, but. You know, the most interesting thing is like what's behind it. You know, that's, that's where it's, that's, that's where the adventure is. You know? So for instance, with the thyroid, the problem was not here, you know, the problem was actually in the belly. So you have this, the, the, the, the [00:44:00] fixation or the, the, the misunderstanding.

at the roots in another place. So these things also happen, you know, and, and I work a lot with women, with women, that there's a lot of problems with the wombs, you know, I don't know if it was always like that, but it is now. And there is some hardness in the society that asked them to be something that they're not, or it's like, you know, or they get like overruled in a certain way.

Um, and I, I love to, to change that, to open it. You know, that the people starts to come up for themselves and say, Hey, wait, this is not the natural way of being, you know, this is not who I am. I try to be something because it's asked, but it's not who I am. And, and then to make a change from that, that perspective, you know, and, um, I even have sometimes if people come and they're really stuck and I cannot even speak with them, uh, spiritually, you know, I start to talk with their own spirits and I said, [00:45:00] okay, you have to wake up.

You have to, rebel against this, you know, really rebel against this because you have to come forward. Otherwise it doesn't work. Yeah. Of course, I always try to set in on the, on the complete healing, you know, like, like this. And people come to me maybe two times, three times, sometimes one time, depends on what their problem is.

Sometimes five times, you know, but even every little part that is opening up or changing, it's, it's. It's just as great, you know, it's, uh,

Amanda Parker: to be able to actually come here and do the work that you do. Were there challenges on your pathway or something that you found really difficult to get beyond to be able to show up as the healer that you are today?

Wolf Drum: Of course, there are, there are, there are things that happened in my life, you know, that, that pushed me a certain direction and like my father died when I was very young. So that already put me in a situation like, uh, if I [00:46:00] am 50 years old, you know, and I look back to my life because that was the realization that I look back to my life is that.

It's worth this life is worth living for, you know, was not for me, you know, so I wanted to find something else, something different, something that I found more real. That was something that happened that pushed me in a certain direction, but I mean, maybe for another person, they would respond in a different way.

So this was the medicine that I got out of it, you know, and so I got a, I got a daughter very early. And I was always trying to find a balance between having a family and walking the spiritual path. And I mean, I did like 10 years or something. I did sweat lodges every month and I was putting a prayer stone for this, for this.

How can I combine these two? You know, how can I do this? And well, I think I find my way to do, to do it. You know, it's more that, yeah. Is it [00:47:00] the hard part? I don't know. I found a medicine in it to be here at the same time and being in a spiritual connection at the same time. And these two, these two, they are interwoven.

So you cannot, uh, and that's what healing the same thing, right? I mean, you can do a healing, but there is a spiritual part in healing. And even though if people don't understand it, you cannot, you cannot take them apart.

Amanda Parker: I'm super curious. Was there like a particular moment in time where You specifically remember connecting with Ancestors?

Was there one moment that it happened and you thought, Whoa, what is this?

Wolf Drum: It came to me that when I was preparing ceremonies, I think it more started there, more than in the healing. In the ceremonial part, I was asking, for instance, if I would do a ceremony, I like totems a lot, you know. So if I would do a ceremony with the wolves, for instance, I would also ask the [00:48:00] ancestors that had a connection with the wolves.

So how would they do that? And like 6, 000 years ago, 5, 000, what, what is the original way or what is a way to, to do this? And then I would speak with the ancestors. So. Trying to get the information. Yeah. So, so it's mostly preparation, but in, in the healing at a certain point, it more became, I have one ancestor that is always there with me with healing and he's a good healer.

So it's perfect, you know, and he shows me things like, Hey, maybe this way, maybe that way, you know?

Amanda Parker: So if someone is listening and they're thinking, okay, I'm curious. You know, what advice would you give them, someone who's maybe just starting out, knowing that they need a change or knowing that maybe they really do need some healing?

Wolf Drum: Well, if you do need healing, like, like, never give up, you know, that, you know, the road is unending and the possibilities are unending. And I think that's the, that's the toughest thing that they try to let you [00:49:00] believe in society is that everything is fixed and that there are certain boundaries about around everything, you know, and possibilities are you're born like this.

So you're always stuck in this, you know, I mean, people talk like this. Are you coming from that situation? Ah, or even things that, that this, that they say, like, uh, Yeah. if something happens is that she's going to be ruined forever. You know, all these thoughts that are there and it's not like that you can change anything.

And, and this, this unendingness of possibilities, uh, is part of who you truly are as well. And maybe the, the biggest insight of, for this time on, on, on the earth is that, that we are this beings that have this unending possibilities. And if we claim that back, then we can change this world to do paradise.

I mean, that's also healing. Yeah. You have, you have, you have beings that are, have only purpose to teach or to heal in this [00:50:00] way, to get understanding back on the earth. I've, I've seen it, you know, I've really seen it, that there are healers, that are putting healing on the earth, changing it. changing the reality in a way that people don't even remember that it was that there was a mistake in the first place.

So just changing the reality.

Amanda Parker: Wow.

Wolf Drum: Yeah, that would be great, right? I mean,

Amanda Parker: yeah,

Wolf Drum: these beings are there. And I think they're gonna be born again as well.

Amanda Parker: I know that you have these healing sessions that you do. And What are some of the other ways that people can work with you? So if someone's like, all right, Wolfram, I wanna, I want in, I'm ready.


Wolf Drum: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So through ceremony and teachings. So actually that's, that's the main part that I'm doing is teaching and ceremony, but I'm also a healer. And I like that very much.

Amanda Parker: Say more about the ceremonies and the teaching. [00:51:00] 

Wolf Drum: So ceremonies is a way of understanding, opening up, you know? So also the teachings are always with ceremonies.

You have to make it physical. You have to have an experience with it. Otherwise it's just words. So, but, uh, the ceremonies are like a lot of it, the sweat lodges. I, I, I really, really love these ceremonies because they're so direct. And so. have a completeness in itself. And it's ancient. So, so if we're talking about alignments, you know, if I, if I work with a ceremony, I try to find the, the old roots and to be in there.

And with the sweatlers have a lot of experience. So I You can really step into a being or an entity, you can almost call it, you can call it an entity, which is already for 20, 000 years on the earth. So that means that if you do something, this 20, 000 [00:52:00] years of ceremony is also there. With you supporting what you are.

And if I'm sitting in the Lodge, I can see the, I can see the ancestors sitting there, you know, and, and it's so ancient and it's so easy to sit there and to remember who you are, just because you are me sitting in this glowing, in this glowing stones that are, that they're like. You know, like, uh, orange glowing and some cedar that goes over the, over the stones and then completely dark, just this, this little glow and you're sitting around with the people and you sing and you drum and, and you open up for, uh, for medicine.

It's uh, it's beautiful.

Amanda Parker: Wow. Yeah. How long do those ceremonies last? Is that something that's, you know, a day, an hour, a week?

Wolf Drum: It takes like, uh. Like a whole day, one sweat lodges all day. So it's maybe that you're in the large four or five hours. We have long sweat lodges. So it's, I mean, you have different traditions and, [00:53:00] and, uh, and you have like the purification lodges, which are like mostly short and, and, and very hot and they, they use it also as a preparation for other ceremonies.

Um, but the sweat lodges that we are doing, there are more. It's like fishing lodges, they are long lodges, and uh, it can be four or five hours like this. But I'm not that hot. Sometimes.

Amanda Parker: Sometimes. Great. Depends on what the ancestors tell you to do.

Wolf Drum: Exactly, yeah, yeah. It is like that, yeah.

Amanda Parker: And then you said you also do teaching.

Wolf Drum: We've been talking about what is the, what is the traditional way of being on the earth? Well, to be, to be a being of the earth, and of course it's not fixed, you know, but there are certain, uh, ways that are natural to everyone. And that's like being, being a being that has awareness, being a being that has perception, [00:54:00] Being a being that has intention.

So this is like the spiritual senses of your being. And if you fall back into the senses, like you were speaking about, that you can communicate with people. We would call it perception, probably, you know, like this. So you start to see that you are connected, but you have to, or you can claim back these senses.

And this is a traditional path, you know, in the old times, you wouldn't fall out of it. You would be born in this state and it would never let you fall out of it. And we, because of the society. Drop out of it mostly, you know, and they have to refind the way back and the teachings would would move over to Two different realities.

So so that means that we're working with this physical reality. We're moving with the dream reality We were moving, we're working with an unending reality and why? The unending reality is because our unending side is sourced in an [00:55:00] unending reality. So if you wanna know the source of your unending being, you wanna be one with it, you have to move into the unending.

And that's where the consciousness is of your, the consciousness of your unending being is formed itself as a, as a source, as a point where the perception is coming from and the intention is coming from and the awareness is coming from. And that's, that's the thing, you know, if you fall back into the senses.

Which has a source in that ending, it means that you fall back in senses that are without resistance, and that's why you can read the reality so well. So in science, they always say, well, you have to have like an experiment. Experiment has to be objective, right? I think this is the most objective that you can have because you're measuring not something from the reality itself, which is always influencing the experiment.

Right. No, you're doing it [00:56:00] from outside the reality.

Amanda Parker: So if someone would like to participate in a ceremony or have a healing with you or even learn from you. How can they get in touch?

Wolf Drum: Um, well, they, they can send me an email. It's like, I know you,

Amanda Parker: I know you have a website upcoming and I

Wolf Drum: have a website.

Yeah. Yeah. The website is www. artofshamanism. org. And, uh, you can, I'm still working on it, but it's, uh, yeah, it's a way to contact me. Yeah.

Amanda Parker: So are there other maybe resources, so teachers or books or. Anything that you'd recommend for someone to listen to who wants to just learn more about this topic?

Wolf Drum: So I'm not, I'm not much of a reader, you know, so, so that part of the books, I do like the books of Castaneda, you know, many people will know them, um, and I, I'll link them.

Yeah, you can look at [00:57:00] it. You can do it. Yeah. Yeah. I like this very much. There's a lot of knowledge in it. And, uh,

Amanda Parker: is there anything else you would love to share that you really wish people would know or any parting words you might like to share?

Wolf Drum: I would say be welcome, you know, but that means everywhere, like on the earth.

And, uh, I think that's a, that's a big problem that we have, that people don't feel welcome on the earth.

Amanda Parker: So I will say, thank you so much for taking the time to be here, to share your wisdom, your stories, to share the work that you're doing in the world and really opening up so much. What I think is going to be, honestly, completely mind opening information that a lot of people won't have heard before.

So I think it's really exciting. I'm so grateful to be able to share this. Thank you so much for coming on WolfDrum.

Wolf Drum: Thank you very much for having me. [00:58:00] 

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