#024 Women's Work Explained: Healing in Sacred Feminine Community — Susanne Amoraal
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In this episode of Don't Step on the Bluebells, Amanda Parker interviews Susanne Amoraal who shares her approach to women's healing work, exploring the balance of feminine and masculine energies, the power of archetypes, and the importance of self-love and acceptance in the healing journey.
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“We as women, we are the bringers of the new, we are the ones that are now in this time, the ones who remember the old and bring it into the now.”
Today's Guest
Susanne Amoraal
I am a Modern Mystic, someone who integrates deep wisdom into daily life and supports others in doing so too.
I specialize in working with women. I love to work with women who have already taken some steps in their spiritual growth and personal development.
My intention is to remind women of their inner wisdom so they can reconnect with their true Self, reclaim the spiritual power they have, and become the Oracles they are.
In order to embody these magical powers, we have to fully incarnate into our bodies. That means allowing everything present in our energy system: feeling the pain, the fear, the confusion—all of that which we’ve been avoiding. Embracing all that comes with living here on earth will enable us to truly expand, see the endless possibilities, and live a life of inner peace and freedom.
That’s how you integrate deep wisdom into daily life; that’s the Holy Quest of the Mystic Woman. Through healing and empowerment you are able to embody your inner goddess. I provide personal Reading & Healing sessions. We’ll read your aura and explore more about the information that’s stored in your energy system. We can dive into any theme you like; it could be something relational, work related but also about your physical symptoms.
If you don’t like to do sessions online, you can also come to our beautiful place in the green nature of Catalunya, Spain, for a private retreat. That will be a 3-day deep immersion with your inner world. You will return home as a different person.
There’s an online video training of ‘The Holy Quest of the Mystic Woman’ coming soon and of course you can experience a deep healing journey during the retreat that’s coming up in April near Barcelona, Spain.
During this extraordinary retreat you will learn how to rewrite your life story, read energy and participate in a mother line constellation. We will be diving into sacred sexuality, boundaries and masculine vs feminine energy. You will experience trauma and anger release, womb healing, visualizations, meditations and initiations. We’ll be dancing, singing, crying, laughter… you will experience sisterhood. The women who went before you experienced it as life changing.
My dream is to build a Modern Mystic Community. An (online) place where women can join like-minded women in learning more about being a woman and healing with energy. A place where we can uplift each other and share how we can integrate our deep wisdom into daily life.
How to get in touch:
Website: https://www.susanamoraal.nl/
Instagram: @susanneamoraal
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Show Notes
Ever wondered what it truly means to embrace your feminine energy? In this captivating episode, we dive deep into the world of women's healing work with the insightful Susanne Amoraal.
Susanne takes us on a journey through her "Holy Quest of the Mystic Woman" retreat, unveiling four powerful feminine archetypes that reside within each of us. From the innocent girl to the magical wise one, discover how these archetypes can unlock your inner wisdom and transform your life.
But that's not all - Susanne challenges our understanding of trauma, describing it as "stuck energy" and offering a fresh perspective on healing. She shares her unique approach to making the invisible visible, helping women reclaim their power and find balance between feminine and masculine energies.
Whether you're a seasoned spiritual seeker or new to the concept of energy work, this episode offers practical insights and inspiring ideas for your personal growth journey. Susanne's warmth and wisdom shine through as she discusses the importance of self-love, feeling safe within yourself, and finding the right guide for your healing path.
Get ready to be inspired, challenged, and empowered. This conversation might just be the catalyst you need to embark on your own holy quest of self-discovery and healing.
Key Takeaways
Both women and men have feminine and masculine energies. Healing often involves integrating and balancing these energies within oneself.
A crucial aspect of healing and personal growth is feeling safe within oneself. This allows for deeper exploration and integration of all aspects of one's being.
Susanne views trauma as "stuck energy." Healing involves putting loving attention on this energy, allowing it to move and integrate back into the whole energy system.
Susanne's work involves exploring four feminine archetypes (the innocent girl, nurturing mother, free woman, and magical wise one) to help women understand and integrate different aspects of themselves.
A key part of healing is learning to honor oneself, including accepting all parts of oneself without the need to please others.
The process of healing begins as soon as someone decides to seek help, even before the first session or interaction.
There's no one-size-fits-all approach to healing. It's important to find the right healer or approach that resonates with where you are in your personal journey.
What We Talked About
Balancing feminine and masculine energies
The "Holy Quest of the Mystic Woman" retreat and its four archetypes
The importance of feeling safe within oneself
Susanne's approach to healing and energy work
The nature of trauma as stuck energy
The process of healing and personal growth
Finding the right healer or coach for one's journey
The importance of self-love and self-acceptance
The transformative power of women's work
The playfulness and freedom of being a woman
Guest Quotes
"We as women, we are the bringers of the new, we are the ones that are now in this time, the ones who remember the old and bring it into the now."
"The way I see trauma is stuck energy."
"Once you put loving attention to energy, it will move anyway."
"At the end, they are the ones who are healing themselves. I'm just being present."
"You don't need to do your best. You just be true to yourself and see if you can find the courage to really honor yourself."
"You don't need to please anyone, not even your mother. I mean it, you know, you can just be you and, and the rest has to take it or not. And then that's what it is."
Resources to Learn More
Books
Women who love too much – Robin Norwood - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/239509.Women_Who_Love_Too_Much
Anatomy of the Spirit – Caroline Myss - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/832543.Anatomy_of_the_Spirit
The Forbidden Female Speaks – Pamela Kribbe - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39907327-the-forbidden-female-speaks
Dear Lover – David Deida - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/91779.Dear_Lover
Podcast Episode
What Happens After Death? Explained From MEMORY - with Matías De Stefano (Susanne's Teacher) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBJeibzhyT4
Terms & Tools to Dig Deeper
Archetypes: Universal, symbolic patterns of behavior that represent different aspects of the human experience. In Susanne's work, she uses four feminine archetypes: the innocent girl, the nurturing mother, the free woman, and the magical wise one.
Aura: An energy field believed to surround living beings, often described as layers of subtle, luminous radiation.
Aura Reading: The practice of perceiving and interpreting the energy field surrounding a person to gain insights into their physical, emotional, and spiritual state.
Bodywork: A general term for therapeutic techniques that involve manipulating, moving, or otherwise engaging with the body to promote physical and emotional healing.
Chakras: Energy centers in the body, often associated with specific physical and emotional aspects.
Channeling: The practice of receiving and transmitting information from non-physical entities or higher consciousness.
Chronic pain: Persistent pain that lasts for an extended period, often resistant to treatment.
Discover Healing: A specific energy healing technique mentioned in the episode, practiced by Jodi Greenstein.
Energy Healing: A holistic practice that aims to manipulate the energy fields around the body to promote healing.
Family Constellation: A therapeutic method that examines family dynamics and generational patterns.
Feminine Energy: The receptive, intuitive, and nurturing aspects of energy, traditionally associated with women but present in all individuals.
Grounding: The practice of connecting energetically with the earth to feel more centered, stable, and present in one's body.
Intuitive Reading: A form of psychic reading where the practitioner uses their intuitive abilities to provide insights and guidance.
Masculine Energy: The active, assertive, and analytical aspects of energy, traditionally associated with men but present in all individuals.
Meditation: A practice of focused attention or mindfulness, often used for relaxation, spiritual growth, and healing.
Muscle Testing: A diagnostic method used in some alternative healing practices to assess the body's response to stimuli.
Private Retreat: An intensive, personalized healing experience, often conducted over several days.
Soul Retrieval: A shamanic healing practice that aims to recover and reintegrate lost parts of a person's soul or essence.
Spirit Guides: Non-physical entities believed to provide guidance and support in one's spiritual journey.
Transgenerational Trauma: The transmission of traumatic experiences and their effects across generations within families or communities.
Trauma Healing: Therapeutic approaches aimed at resolving and integrating traumatic experiences stored in the body and psyche.
Visualization: A technique using mental imagery to achieve specific goals, often used in healing and personal development work.
Women's Work: A broad term referring to practices and teachings aimed at empowering and healing women, often focusing on reconnecting with inner wisdom and feminine energy.
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Episode Transcript
Amanda Parker: Welcome to today's episode of Don't Step on the Blue Bells. I am here with a wonderful guest, Susana Amoral, who's going to be talking to us all about the work that she does to help heal and empower women. So Susana is a woman who has been guiding women to basically come back home to themselves to remember their own inner wisdom and has created a beautiful body of work around this.
So we're going to dive deep into what that means, what that looks like, the kind of work that she does in the world, and also how she got here. So, Susana, thank you so much for being here with us today.
Susanne Amoraal: Thank you for having me. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: I have heard your name from a mutual contact of ours who was also a guest on the podcast not too long ago, Naomi. And she was telling me all about this beautiful, [00:01:00] beautiful work that you do with women. She didn't even tell me the details. All she said was, Amanda, you need to speak with her.
And that's kind of all I needed. So I'm really excited to learn a bit more about what. Women's work actually means.
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah. Yeah. So, um, well, what is what it means for me, because I'm sure there are a lot of different woman, women who do woman's work, but what it means for me is to really connect them with their inner wisdom. Because I think that we as women, uh, we are the bringers of the, of the new, we are the ones that are now in this time, the ones who remember the old and bring it into the now.
So we are very important. And when I say we, I think [00:02:00] I mean, like, especially the feminine energy. Because we are very familiar with the masculine energy and most of the time, not the really healthy ones. So now we have to, you know, start integrating the, the healthy masculine energy, but also the healthy feminine energy.
Because that's lost to, you know, so we have to kind of remember both and, um, because I am a woman, I can really relate to that. And I think that this is our, you know, kind of task, if you would call it like that to start taking ownership. of our healthy, um, feminine energy. But to do that, we have to, you know, remember what it is because we kind of forgot.
Amanda Parker: So I have this [00:03:00] conversation. Actually quite often with my husband, because I use
Susanne Amoraal: Hmm.
Amanda Parker: a lot of like masculine and feminine and I'm always trying to explain, no, it's not just about man or woman. But maybe you
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah.
Amanda Parker: clarify a bit like what exactly do you mean when you're talking about masculine or healthy masculine or feminine or healthy feminine,
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah.
Amanda Parker: we often just assume that means men and women
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah. Well, to start with, uh, we have both. So you and I have feminine energy and masculine energy. And sometimes, um, we have a little bit more of one, uh, than the other, but we have both. So, um, you can, you can see it like this, like, you have like, An inner man and an inner woman. So often when we do an exercise during a retreat or something, [00:04:00] we really can connect with that energy inside of us.
And you can literally see how your woman looks like or your man, you know, as. When I started, um, because I've done this a few times, I had a very, uh, big man that I saw, you know, like a big Indian man. And he was like, he, he was taking up all the space. So my, my, my internal feminine, he was somewhere, you know, like somewhere Um, gliding in this in the sky.
So that was like, I wouldn't say that that was a very healthy relationship between my feminine and my masculine energy
Amanda Parker: Hmm
Susanne Amoraal: because like, this is a way to see how they represent energy in you. And of course, at the end, it's all the same, you know, it's, it's, [00:05:00] it is, we call it like that to make it more easy to understand the different qualities of the energy that we have.
Amanda Parker: hmm.
Susanne Amoraal: at the end, in the end, it's all the same. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: there's this idea that, like, the masculine energy has a bit more of, I don't know, getting things done. There might be more, like,
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah,
Amanda Parker: or analytical kind of thinking in there. also this element that the masculine plays more of a protector role
Susanne Amoraal: absolutely. Yeah,
Amanda Parker: the feminine would be a bit more on the soft side or more intuitive or Going with the flow of things or potentially more nurturing etc. Would
Susanne Amoraal: exactly. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: describe it as well?
Susanne Amoraal: Yes. Yes.
Amanda Parker: that makes
Susanne Amoraal: like, each energy has different qualities. So what you're saying, I can [00:06:00] really like, that's how I see it too. And, but, you know, like if there's a quality that you have like too much of, it becomes something that is not really helpful. So, um, like, and that is the same for women as for men.
So too much protection, that can lead towards, you know, being controlled, being controllers, you know, like want to control everything, or being too much nursing. That means that you can forget yourself. You know, so, like, every quality has, like, an, an, um, a challenge and that's what I mean with energy, like, healthy energy is the one that lifts you up and really contribute to your energy and other energy, other ones, energy and the other one is like the, um.
Let's say hurt energy, the one that you [00:07:00] use because of trauma or conditioning or whatever.
Amanda Parker: of sense so one might show up more just based on life circumstances And that's how
Susanne Amoraal: Exactly.
Amanda Parker: get out of balance Yeah,
Susanne Amoraal: Well, on, I would say your blueprint, so, um, what is it, how, how did you, how did your soul came here? You know, what does your soul want to experience? And then, um, where did you grow up?
And so what did you really internalize? Because you can imagine that your father or your mother figure is very important for you to, when you grow up, to very, to. Um, to know how, how a woman, [00:08:00] uh, behave, how women behave, how men behave, you know, how should I behave as a woman? That's what I learned from my mother.
Not necessarily very helpful, like everything, but, uh, you know, that's your first encounter with, with feminine energy, so, yeah.
Amanda Parker: yeah, it's super interesting. So I know that's not the, the topic we want to dive into, but I still always find it really fascinating to get an understanding of what that means as someone who has, who For most of my life had a lot more masculine energy
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah,
Amanda Parker: only in the last couple of years really been intentionally Finding my way back into more of that
Susanne Amoraal: yeah.
Amanda Parker: nurturing state of being
Susanne Amoraal: And what made you do that? I mean, what, why did you make that, that gentle change? Yeah, yeah, [00:09:00] yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amanda Parker: Essentially I just kept burning out Like, I just kept burning myself out in different jobs and I kept trying to follow that flow of intuition lead me from one place to the next and meet, met with the same challenges over and over and over and over. Like, I worked myself to the bone beyond what I could actually do. And then I ended up, yeah, just exhausted and depleted. And It was kind of like, uh, you know, throwing my hands up in the air, like I give up, I don't know what else to do because I know I can't do this again. I think for me, that coincided with a time of leaving a corporate job, so leaving the private sector, starting my own business, because I'm like, well, I'm not working for anyone ever again, because every time I do that, I feel unwell, and I don't think I had the words to describe, like, [00:10:00] I have too much masculine energy.
It wasn't that. At that
Susanne Amoraal: no.
Amanda Parker: just, this really feels bad, and there has to be a different way to live, and I want to
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah,
Amanda Parker: out what that is.
Susanne Amoraal: yeah. So what you're describing is not necessarily like, um, less masculine energy versus more feminine energy. If you ask me
Amanda Parker: Hmm.
Susanne Amoraal: what you're describing is like that you are feeling that you wanted more ownership about, uh, of what you are doing and not someone else who's, who's telling you to do this or that.
Um, like basically you wanted to, you know, expand your energy field and maybe that, um, also implies that you wanted to experience your feminine energy more,
Amanda Parker: Hmm.
Susanne Amoraal: know, because what you describe is a very masculine energy as well.
Amanda Parker: Hmm.
Susanne Amoraal: I want to do it myself. [00:11:00] I want to, I want to manifest something for myself.
Yeah. So it's, you know, it's not, it's not, it's not very, it's not like the masculine is bad, feminine is better. It's more like finding, like as a woman finding your, your, um, um, your own, let's say, Strength as your feminine energy, your power, and then combine it with something, um, masculine, because when we really want to manifest something, it is a masculine energy that we're, we need.
Amanda Parker: Um,
Susanne Amoraal: like, um, it's like the perfect collaboration, you know, it's like, because the feminine energy wants to create something. And then she, she, You know, feels it, she knows it. And then the masculine energy. Okay. He's the one who [00:12:00] is going to, um, let's say, um, manifested. So you need, you need both.
And, um, from me, what, what I can relate to is what you're saying is in order to really, um, uh, feel fully connected with myself. Um, it's very helpful to understand and connect with the feminine energy in myself, as well as the masculine energy. And, um, I do know the masculine energy very well. Um, Because, you know, I thought being tough, being direct, um, making jokes, you know, that like joking around, you know, that was like, okay, so this is how I can hold myself here in this society.
Um, along in my family with my friends, you know, and, um, understanding things so, you know, I can come, um, I can keep up with the [00:13:00] rest. So, and I think that that's for a lot of people. Also, women is that was a very important decision that we made unconsciously to really. Develop our mental field, you know, so we are appreciated because we are smart are appreciated because we're thoughtful or are successful or whatever, but that definition of, you know, being successful in a corporate environment or.
yeah, having like the highest degree that you can possibly get. I think that that's changing because we are now able to see that qualities like vulnerability are also very helpful, you know, in our lives because burning up is not the only thing that, um, that's there, you know, we can flourish if we want, but we need different, [00:14:00] we need a different, um, Yeah, approach.
Amanda Parker: Um. So thinking about all of this because I can really hear your wisdom already coming through on how you support women also just to understand themselves and what's
Susanne Amoraal: Hmm.
Amanda Parker: and really get to the bottom of. Yeah, what might be feeling good for them and what not, but how would you describe your particular blend of women's work? What does
Susanne Amoraal: Hmm.
Amanda Parker: in your world?
Susanne Amoraal: Um, I would say, um, like reconnect with your true self. And I, I know that sounds a little bit like fake or, but I mean, what I mean by that is, uh, really, feel safe within [00:15:00] yourself. Because I think a big reason why we don't show ourselves completely is because we don't feel safe. And, um, maybe not just this lifetime, but other lifetimes or through our mother line or whatever.
We know how it is to feel unsafe.
Amanda Parker: Hm,
Susanne Amoraal: We know how it is when our boundaries are crossed. You know, when we are like, we could, we know how it feels to be powerless. And reclaiming that power, that's a very scary path because it means that you have to really embody your whole body, your whole energy system. And often women just stay like, like up here, you know, maybe if you're lucky your heart will join, join too.
But most of the time we're like very in our upper chakras, [00:16:00] in our upper energy field, like being blissful, being, you know, the perfect partner, the perfect friend, the perfect, um, mother. Um, and then, you know, but what we're actually doing is denying our own needs, you know, and we are adjusting and we are like a chameleon, no?
And that's when, that's what What keeps us safe in a way, because then we don't need to stand up for ourselves. We don't need to feel, um, what's going on there, like in, in the lower body. What's going on there and, um, taking ownership in your, your energy. Also up there, uh, you know, down there, connection with the earth, with your basic chakra, with your feelings in your stomach, um, the pain that's there in your womb, it's [00:17:00] like, it's a whole different league and that's, that's what we've been avoiding,
Amanda Parker: hm,
Susanne Amoraal: staying up there is, is,
Amanda Parker: hm, hm,
Susanne Amoraal: And that's usually pain or powerless, feeling powerless or abusive memories or, you know, so it's, um, yeah, I think that that's the biggest part that I, I do in my work to really, you know, like, guide them through the, um, Let's say dark jungle of what's going on there, you know, and, and, yeah, so it's something it's, for me, it has something to do with reclaiming your own power, but then fully incarnate, you know, like coming into the meat Garnet, you know, really, they feel everything.
And stay grounded because, you [00:18:00] know, when you're if you're a tree, if you look at a tree first, it really goes deep, deep, deep, deep, deep. And then it is able to grow, but it needs the stability. Um, to reach, you know, for the life and I think that, um, by doing that, you can restore the balance more and you can also feel safe within yourself because, you know, you can hold yourself.
Amanda Parker: hm. That's really, um, yeah, just interesting point on many levels. So,
Susanne Amoraal: Hmm.
Amanda Parker: hand, for me, with my own like spiritual growth journey, I was always only reaching up.
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah.
Amanda Parker: meditate, I want to visualize, I want to
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah.
Amanda Parker: and I love it because it speaks to the
Susanne Amoraal: Me too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
Amanda Parker: [00:19:00] And then I wonder why I like can't sit still in the morning long enough to just like be still. So there's, there's a part of me that's just, almost avoiding the ground, know? And
Susanne Amoraal: exactly. Yeah,
Amanda Parker: remind myself, no, no, no, like, touch
Susanne Amoraal: yeah,
Amanda Parker: walk on the grass,
Susanne Amoraal: yeah,
Amanda Parker: park,
Susanne Amoraal: yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: I'm on earth. I get to actually touch it and be a part of that.
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah. So, and do you have any idea or does it resonate what I'm saying? Why you don't want to be like here or maybe that's, you know, Uh,
Amanda Parker: had a healing session yesterday with Jodi Greenstein, who was actually on an episode very recently. She does, um, a technique called discover healing. So it's a type of energy healing. And. While I can't explain exactly how it works, aside from what she described to me and [00:20:00] my own experience of it, um, there's a lot of, like, muscle testing. So it works
Susanne Amoraal: yeah,
Amanda Parker: testing, different statements, and the one that kept coming up was, uh, I can't remember the exact phrasing, but it was around, It's not safe, or I, like, I
Susanne Amoraal: yeah,
Amanda Parker: trust that I'm fully safe, or I can
Susanne Amoraal: yeah,
Amanda Parker: that I'm fully safe, and that kept coming up over
Susanne Amoraal: yeah,
Amanda Parker: as
Susanne Amoraal: yeah, yeah, yeah,
Amanda Parker: that, like, doesn't feel safe to be fully present and here. as you said, maybe from past experiences, ancestral stuff from my family, or depending on people's belief system who are listening, you know, this could come from past lives. I personally believe in that, so it resonates.
Susanne Amoraal: yeah, yeah. So, and that's, that's okay. I mean, that's why you're here for. So, as long as we well [00:21:00] do experience it. I mean, maybe there's no learning at all. Maybe it's just, you know, experience, um, how it feels to be not grounded, how it feels to be grounded. Yeah. Um, you know, for me, it's, I think that's also part of the, um, the work I do.
I, I like it to be fun and light, you know, because when you go down into the depth of your pain or, you know, the, the, the, the stuff that you haven't really felt yet, um, then, I mean, it's serious business, but if, if you, if you make it. A little bit more light, you know, with a little bit more fun and playfulness and just, you know, see the fun of it because, um, if not, then, you know, it's easy to get in the, um, the other side of it, you know, like, this is a hard life and I don't want to be [00:22:00] here and why am I doing this and.
So for me, that's very important to, to really, yeah, um, to really play with it instead of, you know, taking it too seriously because no one knows exactly what we're doing here. Right? Well, maybe you do, but I don't, it's like, you know,
Amanda Parker: the secret to life.
Susanne Amoraal: ah, you got it. Well, I think a lot of,
Amanda Parker: and me alone, of
Susanne Amoraal: ah, exactly. Yeah. Well, that's, that was, that's what religions do, you know, and that's what gurus do and, but I don't believe in that.
You know, when you work with me, you get my version of the critique. And I would love to hear your version of the truth. And if everyone is sharing their version of the truth, you will get like a more clear picture of what it could be. But then we need each other to understand, you know. So, yeah, but [00:23:00] it's all there and it's all true and it's all not true.
You know, it's all there.
Amanda Parker: Oh my God, there's so much I want to ask about that. But what I really want to hear before I take us down too many rabbit holes, um, so I understand that you support women. I know that you do a series of retreats, for example, and you also have private healing sessions. So what exactly does that work look like?
So if someone were to come to you and they're Yeah, they're maybe not really tapped into their own inner wisdom or they're really like for another way forward. How would you approach that? Hm. Mm.
Susanne Amoraal: so first of all, um, when it comes to the retreat, I really like to work with women who already know the concept of energy and who already know how it is to look inward. Right. You know, because there are a lot of [00:24:00] people still out there pointing at someone else, you know, because he did this.
I feel like this and because he did. So it's like, um, the blaming and shaming. That's not really helpful. And it's not something that I would. Preferably work with. Well, I don't work with that because that that's really lowering my energy, you know, and so the women who come to the retreat are already like, let's say, open to whatever is happening.
possible. Um, and they are very, uh, courageous, you know, because they don't know what's coming, but they're there. Um, so that's a good start. And, uh, name of the, um, retreat is called the Holy Quest of the Mystic Woman. So it is, it's something that came to me like a few years ago. And You could say I channeled it, or you [00:25:00] could say I wrote it when I was in a flow.
Uh, anyway, it, it makes sense. And it is, um, uh, there are four archetypes, um, that we are, um, getting into. So the first one is the innocent girl. And then we have the nurturing mother. And then we have the free woman. And then we have the magical wise one. And all those, like, archetypes are in, in us. It's the same as what I explained with the feminine energy and the masculine energy.
It's just more to, you know, get an understanding of the different qualities of energy that we have within ourselves. So we are going to dive into that and really connect with that. Piece of energy and, um, let's say all the, it's also connected with the wind direction. [00:26:00] It's also connected with the moon, the sun, and also even with the cycle of the women.
So, it's like, it's pretty. It's when you connect with one of the archetypes, you connect with the, like a very broad energy field that that's really, you know, weaving into each other and really uplift the feminine energy in yourself. And from that, we also pay attention to how is your connection or how do you perceive the masculine energy or man?
Um, you know, and, um, but we also experience, um, how it is to release your anger, how it is to really go deep and visualize your, let's say a future or, um, um, the wound healing is a very important part of it. Um, so we do the, the, the experience is [00:27:00] we go deep in the experiences. And, uh, like online training, that's more where you get the general information and a few meditations to really get to familiar with the archetypes.
So it's a very, yeah, beautiful combination altogether.
Amanda Parker: It sounds it. I'm like refraining from taking notes on everything you're saying because I know I get to listen to this again.
Susanne Amoraal: Uh,
Amanda Parker: Um, but I love that. So there's um, an idea that I've heard before, maybe others as well. You know, there's the maiden, the mother, and the crone.
Susanne Amoraal: yeah.
Amanda Parker: you know
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah.
Amanda Parker: Is that somewhat aligned or is just different stages of a woman's life?
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah. Well, um, I think it's just another approach
Amanda Parker: Mm
Susanne Amoraal: um, um, like before I really connected with, No, let's [00:28:00] see. Let's see. Let me say differently before I really would like to understand everything and how it fits into one box and then the other one and then, you know, so it makes sense. And now I'm like, okay, this is just a different approach.
So it doesn't for me. It's not really important if it's the same or if it's different. It's just, you know, for me, it's very important that it resonates with you. Because if something that I say doesn't resonate with you, then it's not for you, you know, so it doesn't make it not true or more important or less important.
It's just we're all frequency. So if it's something that you find appealing, then okay, we're, you know, we can work together. If it's something like, no, I'd rather, um, I get more excited when I listen to that. Okay, that's fine too. You know, so that's, it's more. Like, something that we're going to, if you ask me, like, in the [00:29:00] future will be, there will be more networks.
So we can, you know, uplift each other instead of no, I know what's true. No, you know what you're saying? No, it's like this. Or, yeah, what we talked about, like, With energy techniques were like, it's like, you don't own energies. Just okay. This is my way of working with it. So, yeah.
Amanda Parker: I, I really appreciate that because I think what I've learned from doing this podcast, I mean also my own exploration, is that there's just, it just has to resonate with you. Like,
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah.
Amanda Parker: technique, or the healer, or the approach, or the group,
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah.
Amanda Parker: it feels like somewhere you can feel at home, then go for it.
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah.
Amanda Parker: on the podcast, every different kind of healing ultimately has a very similar goal.
Susanne Amoraal: Exactly.
Amanda Parker: all trying to come back home to ourselves, we're all [00:30:00] trying to feel good to understand You know, what
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah,
Amanda Parker: us, and
Susanne Amoraal: yeah,
Amanda Parker: doesn't matter which technique you choose. There's no
Susanne Amoraal: no,
Amanda Parker: there's no better or worse.
Susanne Amoraal: no, it's just one way to get in touch with the things that you want to experience. You know, or want to heal or even with or without your knowing
Amanda Parker: Mm.
Susanne Amoraal: your conscious knowing, but it's just, you know, you get, you just go with the flow and then whatever comes to you and feels right. And yeah, but I, I would like to add that, you know, there are so many different techniques and so many different healers.
And, um, I think that you, where you are in your, let's say healing spiral path,
Amanda Parker: Mm.
Susanne Amoraal: that determines whether a healer is right for you at that moment or not.
Amanda Parker: Mm.
Susanne Amoraal: I would like to invite like everyone just to [00:31:00] feel very carefully, like, is this
Amanda Parker: Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm.
Susanne Amoraal: especially where there's a lot of healers offering their services right now, the depth of a healer.
Is like a most of it has to do with how he or she contains himself. So, for example, if I, if someone comes up with me and she's pouring her heart out and it's a subject that really triggers me, let's say, sexual abuse, and I cannot deal with what she's saying, I cannot be there for her. So in order to be there for her with, I need to really be okay with everything that comes up.
Okay, so that means that I have [00:32:00] to be there, have been there before her, you know, otherwise it's not something I can hold space for. That doesn't mean that I have to have exactly the same issues or thing that she has. But it's more the inner reassuring for myself that whatever comes up, I can hold it, you know, because I've been there.
I know how, I know the dark jungle. I know how it is to feel pain. I know how it is to feel grief or angry or, you know, and I can stay with her at that moment. So I don't have to look away or feel my own pain. And of course, sometimes it just resonates, you know, if there's a story, uh, about, uh, something that really resonates with me.
Um, for me as a healer, it's very important to notice. And [00:33:00] then, you know, really stay in my own energy field while holding it for her. So that that's something I think is very important to, um, when you are picking out or when you're starting on your journey or healing journey, it sounds a little bit, you know, flurry, but you know, that, um, the, um, when you are, When you're determined to go inward in your, you find the braveness to do it.
Just make sure that you find the person who will help you like, in the next step, because you don't need someone who can help you all the way. For me, it's just steps. I think I, I saw like almost every therapist in, in Holland, um, you know, because I'm very curious and I, I, I think I tried every technique.
Um, and then sometimes, you know, for a year or two, and then, okay, another one, another one. So that's how you, you [00:34:00] know, you have to kind of. They have to grow with you, you know, the ones who are guiding you. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amanda Parker: you know, for those of us with shiny object syndrome, get really excited and have a lot of curiosity and see all these opportunities, and it can be really, you know, you don't know where to turn your attention. what I'm personally doing recently because I can get carried in many directions at once. Um, I once had a medium give me a reading. It was years ago. I ended up training with her after, but she's like, you know, I'm just being told that You know, spirituality is not like an amusement park where you just go here and then here and it's like you're trying all the different rides. Um, I mean, it can be, of course, because [00:35:00] there's fun in that exploration. And I think, for me, it also helps create a space that I can have those conversations because I've tried it or I know a bit about it or I have a nuance. But really recognizing showing up in my life. Now, who's just here? Where is it easy? Where does it feel like it's easy to say yes, versus maybe having to work hard to find the healer or the training or whatever it
Susanne Amoraal: exactly.
Amanda Parker: might
Susanne Amoraal: Exactly.
Amanda Parker: journey.
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah, because you know,
Amanda Parker: Hmm.
Susanne Amoraal: you know, who is right for you right now, and it could also mean that right now it's, it's the best thing that you can do is just sit by yourself, you know, it depends on where you're at.
Amanda Parker: Hmm.
Susanne Amoraal: So, yeah, but you know, if you like, maybe that's the first step. You know, going towards [00:36:00] that reconnection with your deeper self or your higher self or whatever is to really pay attention to what you're feeling in your body because there's an impulse.
You know, so, and that, that's also like a very feminine energy, you know, like, ah, yes, I, I, I can feel something is moving inside of me
Amanda Parker: Hmm.
Susanne Amoraal: then, you know, taking actions, that's actually the masculine energy, you know, taking it into mother matter, so, um, but you know, you know, when something is right for you.
Yeah.
Amanda Parker: So I'd love to know, what is it that guided you to like specifically supporting women?
Susanne Amoraal: Hmm. Um, well, what comes up is like. There are many, many things to say about this, but what comes up is that, um, I was in, um, [00:37:00] uh, for a year I was like in a sisterhood. So we, we came together like every month and we did different kind of. Um, exercises and well, no,
Amanda Parker: Ha
Susanne Amoraal: uh, feminine stuff.
Amanda Parker: ha ha!
Susanne Amoraal: we were, uh, we were planning to move to Spain, which we eventually did. But we, before we came like in the house that we are right now, we find a property, a property that was like very big. And we thought we could turn it into a retreat location. And it had 90 acres. It was like huge.
And then, you know, somehow I, I could really feel like, Ooh, this is much, this is a lot, this is, you know, I don't know if I can carry this. And then she said, She said, okay, we light [00:38:00] workers and I don't really like the term, but I got what she meant. We think that we have to carry everyone's weight on our shoulders.
And I think that what that came like, I hear that sentence like very often. Okay. So I think I have to put this weight on my shoulder, like the misery of the whole world. And then I thought, okay, this is not something lightworkers do. Um, but this is something, especially women. So there was like a, like an eye opening for me, like, okay, if it works for me, then I know it, it works for a lot of my friends, for a lot of my clients.
So that's when I thought, okay, I really want to dive into that. And, um, yeah, I had like, before that I had experiences in a family constellation where I [00:39:00] really, Reclaimed my own place in the system, you know, really getting into my, my mother's line. And that was so deliberated. And so I felt so free and so powerful and, um, yeah, I thought, Okay, this is something that I really, I really think it's necessary and I really enjoy the subject.
You know, I really, I really love this theme because it's, yeah, it's everywhere.
Amanda Parker: I, I love that, um, everything that you've been sharing with us, you know, this is really aligned, like, you just know, you feel it, it feels like the right thing in the right moment, and you followed that. I'm sure there were
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah,
Amanda Parker: nuances to that journey and how you got there and maybe it didn't always feel that way in the
Susanne Amoraal: no, yeah,
Amanda Parker: but in the end it sounds like this was just calling you and it was persistent enough you kept coming [00:40:00] across it that you said, okay, like I'm
Susanne Amoraal: yeah.
Amanda Parker: challenge.
Let's see where it goes.
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah, well, and it feels easy. So I think that's one of the signs as well, because it's not hard. I mean, I love this. You know, I'm very, very interested and I don't see myself as like a really a specialist. But I, I like doing special things, you know, so it's like, I, I, this is easy for me and I, there's so much more to discover.
So, and I think as well, it's very important for the collectives as well as that we as women really reclaim our power and really, you know, rise victimhood and really, you know, um, do or maybe not do, but remember our worth. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: What would you say is like a common misconception about what you do or what people [00:41:00] often misunderstand about the work you do? Wow.
Susanne Amoraal: worker and but I say this Spanish and they're like, Oh, so you work with the electric company.
But I think that the most. Well, you know, often people don't have a clue what I'm doing and, um, but that's fine. Um, and I think the, the biggest misperception is that I know everything, you know, so that, okay, because I work with women, I do the healing, I do the, That means that you know how to, you know, get your life in order, like, perfectly fine.
And although sometimes it appears like that, [00:42:00] um, it's not. I mean, it's still a bumpy road now and then. And, um, Yeah, I guess that's the most maybe not about my work, but about me, you know, I still have questions. I still have issues, but I can see, like, when I started when I was 25, so it's like, 15 years ago, it was like a bump.
It was like highs and lows. So I could really feel the depth of my pain. And I could also really feel the high bliss of who, you know, being an angel and talking to them and all that kind of stuff. But now, I, you know, like, as the years were following and my, my growth continued, I feel more that inner balance, that inner peace.
So, for me, it's more easy to get in line with, uh, yeah, with myself, with, like, actually with, I think, like, with the earth and, uh, or the earth and [00:43:00] the sun and the light and the dark. It's more welcome, you know, like everything's more welcome. I don't think that really answers your question, but
Amanda Parker: It helps. It's,
Susanne Amoraal: yeah.
Amanda Parker: I think the framing that, People don't often understand what the work means, because I think that's just common, you know, I want to
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: No, but it's, it is that like, you know, we want to understand and that's the logical part of our mind that needs to something or understand or maybe you're not that comfortable just to trust your intuition yet or to listen to that voice within.
So you. You still want more data points, you know?
Susanne Amoraal: Well, but I don't think that that's a bad thing that you want to understand because especially with spirituality, it's sometimes it's very helpful to understand what's, what's happening. You know, [00:44:00] because if you understand, you can also feel if it resonates, if it's all right for you, you know, because if you don't understand and sometimes, of course, you can surrender.
But, you know, we started off with feeling safe and a part of feeling safe is also knowing, you know, what if this is okay or not. And logic helps. I think that, um, what, um, I think that where we are now is that people don't even know what the words that we are using mean, you know, so it's like, maybe it's not a lack of interest, but it's not, it's just, they're not there yet to, to add those words, those possibilities into their, into their world.
And that's fine, you know, but then it's, it will be something that still is a little bit, [00:45:00] um, strange or, you know, scary or
Amanda Parker: Yeah, I can say, like, in my, I think it was, remember what year, but it was early on in my journey of, like, becoming a healer, becoming a coach, that I was working with someone And we were working through a series of like visualization and meditation and also like coaching and I remember it was clear.
I mean, she had her whole own and spiritual beliefs and everything and some point, I remember the conversations there was a point where what she was saying was so common sense to her and so off putting to me because I just wasn't there. And it was really like something to do with believing in, I don't know if it was the universe or something greater or like God or something and I was like, I'm never coming back here again.
Susanne Amoraal: exactly.
Amanda Parker: so off putting because I [00:46:00] wasn't there, it wasn't my language, it wasn't,
Susanne Amoraal: No.
Amanda Parker: it wasn't where I was in my journey and I'm sure I've done that with coaching clients as well, like, Not meaning to where I'm just speaking in my own way and they're like, well, that was strange. I'm like, oh my God Because you can only pick up and take in what you're ready
Susanne Amoraal: exactly.
Amanda Parker: for you in that moment
Susanne Amoraal: Exactly. Because sometimes I have a session, like, uh, like, uh, for me, that was like a very clear, profound, deep reading session. And then when I hear back what they got from it. I was like, is this all you got? Okay. But that's yeah. You know, and then just let it go. Um, because it's not, it's not up to me to decide where you are, um, where you're at, you know, and it's kind of like, but that's one of the reasons why I love to work with people who can at least [00:47:00] understand what I'm saying.
At a certain level, or even more, you know, like they add things that I can learn from, but, um, and they're just open to, you know, the possibilities, but, and, you know, that's why I love, and that's why I think it's so important, like the work Naomi does, for example, like people, when people are really, um, in touch with themselves.
And like every coach or every healer does what is resonating, um, with, with themselves and they are very aligned with the work they're doing. Then, uh, you know, you have all those puzzle pieces that come together because, you know, Joe is going there and, uh, uh, Sylvie is going there, you know, and then it works out, you know, because we don't need the same.
We need different. Things in different times. [00:48:00] So that's how we can uplift each other.
Amanda Parker: And just for the listeners to know, who maybe didn't tune into Naomi's episode or will do it now,
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: people in touch with their own purpose. So she does, uh, leadership coaching and aura readings and help people to really see, she doesn't call it purpose though, she calls it talents, I believe, like
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: I still remember An astrology reading that I had had in 2011, and I remember everything that he told me and I was not ready to hear it. I was angry when I got off the call.
I was really like frustrated. He had told me the relationship I was in wasn't gonna work. And I was [00:49:00] like, screw you, you know? And I had just gotten like what I thought was like. my dream job and he's like yeah, not really and everything he was saying and I was like my god like what is this but I just found that notebook like a few weeks ago and I could read it again and go oh my god and
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah. Exactly.
Amanda Parker: influence that it still
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah.
Amanda Parker: and how many of those things were true so even if someone only got these external pieces it's still
Susanne Amoraal: Exactly.
Amanda Parker: you
Susanne Amoraal: Exactly. Same for me. Yeah. And, and, you know, we are not like as a, when I do a reading, when I give a reading, I don't know what I'm saying, like most of the time. So why I'm saying it now, but before I start, I always ask like the, my spirit guides or, you know, a lot more energies to really Only say what's necessary right [00:50:00] now, you know, what's helpful for the other person.
And then it's not up to me whether it's, um, fully integrated now or later. You mean, you know, because Well, that's another philosophic topic, but I mean, time doesn't really like exist as we know it. So it's like, you cannot say if it's, if it works or not, or when, or, you know, it's just, it's happening or, or not.
The way I see it is once you put loving attention to energy. It will move anyway. So sometimes you may not notice it in the outer world, but some things shift.
Amanda Parker: So, could you say, just because you've referenced this now, um, what does it mean to have a reading with you?
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah. Um, so sometimes [00:51:00] there's a topic, like a theme that you really want to dive into. Um, let's say a relationship or work thing, or even a physical, um, symptom that you have. And what, what we'll do with them, we just dive into. Into what you haven't seen yet. So, we make the invisible visible. So that could mean that I will talk to, I can hear something or I see something.
And most of the time it starts with your aura that I see your aura, but, and then we just go into a story and that could be like, it could feel like a movie. Sometimes it's, it's like, yeah. And then, but there's so much written richness in images. Because that is something that, um, that speaks to, like, a different part of [00:52:00] your brain.
And that's also where the creativity is, and that it's just more open. So, besides words, it's very nice to have, uh, um, Pictures to have a view of, you know, what it could look like. And, um, yeah, the way I see trauma or, um, um, energy, the way I see trauma is stuck to energy. So it's like, you know, when I, for example, I'm not going to, but when I look at your aura, it's like, I can see a lot of lights, I can see a lot of light or, you know, like transparency, but there are always, as long as you will live, there will always be stuck energy, like clutters, you know?
So that that's like energy that's frozen from childhood, from, you know, Uh, earlier experiences from something that [00:53:00] happened recently. That doesn't really matter. But, um, or trans, uh, um, generational, you know, so it's, you don't know how it's how it gets there, but it is there. And once you put loving energy.
An attention to that energy that is stuck, it will move eventually. So, and that's that's energy. Sometimes an image. Sometimes it's words. Sometimes it's a feeling. So it depends. The aim is to, um, really, um, get the energy that's not connected to the whole. Um, a little bit more loose so we can merge into the, the rest of your energy system.
So, and there you, you can call it so retrieval, you can call it trauma healing, you can go it, you know, but this is how I, [00:54:00] this is how I look at trauma. So, I do body work as well. And that's the same thing, but then you use the body as a entrance. So they're just different ways to work with energy. Yeah,
Amanda Parker: or struggle that they're looking for support with, or maybe They want answers, whatever it is, and they're lucky enough to cross paths with you, and then you will bring, well, yeah, and you will bring just your different toolbox to the table for that session to either give them a
Susanne Amoraal: yeah,
Amanda Parker: or figure out, or when I say give a reading, it's like channeling information, or insight, or wisdom that they need to know, or see where stuck energy might be, and
Susanne Amoraal: yeah,
Amanda Parker: that.
Um, Uh,
Susanne Amoraal: because at the end, they are the ones who are healing themselves.
Amanda Parker: Uh,
Susanne Amoraal: I'm just being present, you know, with [00:55:00] everything I know, I'm present.
Amanda Parker: Uh,
Susanne Amoraal: will ask the questions, I will guide you and, and
Amanda Parker: Uh, Transcript.
Susanne Amoraal: But at the end, you are the one who needs to feel what it needs to be. felt. I cannot do that for you.
I can be there for you, but I cannot feel the hurt, the pain, you know? So that is, this is really a cooperation, the way I see it, like every healing that occurs. It's not, it's not like a switch you turn on or off. It's something that your energy system needs to want to, you know, because you can, you can want it with your mind, you know, like I want this now and I'm ready for this now.
And then your system is like, Oh no, maybe later or the other way around. Because, um, I do, I, I also give like, If you want to do a reading, then we do it [00:56:00] like, uh, like we do now. So it's like we go online and then we see each other and then, um, but if you want to deep dive, you can come here for private retreat and then we go like two days.
Like, well, three days. Yeah. Yeah. But then you will walk down, you will walk away as a different person because this is that then your, you know, your system needs a little time to reintegrate everything that happens, but it's a good shake up. And, um, there was a woman here, and she, she had lung problems for a long time.
So she, you know, was coughing, she had pain in her chest, and that was, like, for years. So chronical pain, that's the most interesting pain there is, because that's, like, That it already had time enough to really, you know, stuck together and it acts, you know, so this is chronical pain is like [00:57:00] a very interesting topic.
Anyway, she was, she was lying here in our medicine house and she, I don't know, something triggered her and I put my hand on her chest and then the energy started moving. And although I was there to really. Hold the space and I could hold like a very, you know, broad space for her. She could go deep. So a lot of things happened and I cannot really, you know, recall actually what happened.
But then she was, um, the, the afternoon she was kind of feeling sick, throwing up, you know, everything came out of her system. And then the other day she was like, well, what happened? I don't feel pain anymore, you know, so it's like, sometimes the system is just ready. And I always say, whenever someone is calling me [00:58:00] for a session, or is applying for the retreat.
It already starts. The process is already starting. Yeah. So this is very funny. Well, funny for me. I mean, it's, it's, it's not funny. It's not a good word, but I really, let's say I really enjoy this kind of magic. At the end, they're laughing. Sometimes it just takes a while.
Amanda Parker: Yeah, I, I, I love that, also that reminder, um, I often think that in like the coaching space as well, when someone gets in touch, like they're already doing the work, they're already
Susanne Amoraal: Exactly.
Amanda Parker: and showing up and,
Susanne Amoraal: Exactly.
Amanda Parker: have, like, a paid relationship or not, actually doesn't matter.
Susanne Amoraal: No, exactly.
Amanda Parker: already begun.
The money, like, I
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ah,
Amanda Parker: the table. [00:59:00] is a huge piece because you're, you're making an investment in who you want to become. And you're literally saying, you know what, I'm going to get this. I'm going to make sure that this happens, which is a whole other healing process on its own. I love that reminder that Once they reach out, once that first connection happens, you're sitting there going, uh huh, just wait. And they're
Susanne Amoraal: yes.
Amanda Parker: maybe I'll
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah,
Amanda Parker: I
Susanne Amoraal: yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah. Yeah, I love the way you put it. It's like, it's like, um, like self, it's an act of self love
Amanda Parker: Yeah.
Susanne Amoraal: when you are willing to, you know, go, go that road. Because you know it's not easy, but you know, like, at the end it will bring you something that you, you couldn't imagine before. But that's also, you know, the hard part of.
Um, selling what we're doing [01:00:00] because you don't know, you know, like at the end, you don't know, you don't know what's going to happen. If you will see what, what, what, what the healing brought you or
Amanda Parker: Mm.
Susanne Amoraal: don't know. It's just, yeah, go with the flow and
Amanda Parker: Mm. So, I know we're, we're just about at the end of our time here, um, I would love to just ask one more question about what healing means to you.
Susanne Amoraal: yeah. Well, for me, I have the image that of what I just explained about the energy becoming becoming part of the whole again. It's not that it's not part of it before, but it's more isolated. So when the stuck energy is able [01:01:00] to flow into the rest of the energy, it will, you will feel more whole, you know, like, There are not, then there will still be parts that you are, um, you don't want to see, or you don't want to feel, but less and less because you've looked at it and by looking at it, um, and sometimes you need to look like thousand times, and sometimes you just need to look like once, but, but giving it loving intention, it will just merge into the rest of your system.
And I, sometimes you can do this in this lifetime. Sometimes you, you know, it's you come with a very heavy package from other experiences. And sometimes you just have like, um, like an in between life, you know, like an easy life and you don't have to do all this shit. You can just relax. It's [01:02:00] okay. Not in this lifetime, you know, and then you have another, uh, purpose in the, or, or contribution in the collective.
Because, you know, you don't always need to do something, you know, I was, I was thinking if I just stop doing this work and just go into work in my kitchen garden and be happy. And if something triggers me or something's hurting me, then I'll do my healing. And then, you know, just live, live, then I'll be doing enough, you know, and maybe I'm saying this, I'm saying this for me, but also for the women who are listening and think that they're not doing enough.
They're not as good as a mother as they should be, or, you know, or they're just dismissing themselves in a relationship, you know, that's not good for them. You don't need to do that. You don't need to do your [01:03:00] best. You just be true to yourself and see if you can find the courage to Um, really honor your, your I, you know, your, your, yourself, because doing that, that means that you are building, um, up the energy more in into your pelvic area, you know, so you can really feel your feet and feel more secure and feel more.
And you don't have to do it alone, you know, so you don't, you are capable of living your own life. You don't need to please anyone, not even your mother. I mean it, you know, you can just be you and, and the rest has to take it or not. And then that's what it is.
Amanda Parker: So for anyone who's listening and wants to get in touch or learn more, how can they find you?
Susanne Amoraal: Uh, well, I have a [01:04:00] website, um, www. suspec. com. Samne Amoraal. So that's my name. I will send it to you so you can put it down.
Amanda Parker: will put it on the
Susanne Amoraal: Uh, yes. com and also they can follow me on my Instagram or LinkedIn.
Amanda Parker: Okay, great.
Susanne Amoraal: Yeah,
Amanda Parker: they can sign up for either a retreat or private healing or
Susanne Amoraal: yeah,
Amanda Parker: beautiful offerings that you have from the website,
Susanne Amoraal: yeah, yes, exactly. Yeah.
Amanda Parker: Are there any last parting words, anything that you wish you had mentioned, but I didn't give you the chance? Well,
Susanne Amoraal: well, I, I have a question, not just for you, but also for the women who are listening, just to, I'm just curious how. If you like it, that you're a woman, you know, how is it for you to be a woman? It's just a [01:05:00] fun question to think about. Or maybe you have an answer. I don't know.
Amanda Parker: don't want to skew the audience, so definitely reflect on that and come up with your own answer, but I definitely what I will call, so my own description of being a woman as sort of this playfulness there's like a balance for me between the smart woman and this almost childlike wonder and awe, and I love to play. I play dress up, see how I'm even describing it, like I love to get dressed up and do my hair and wear flowy dresses and I just find a lot of playfulness and curiosity, and a lot of freedom in that, in being a woman, that I can just do that with abandon and not have to think [01:06:00] twice.
Susanne Amoraal: I love that. And I wish that for every woman.
Amanda Parker: Mm
Susanne Amoraal: I do.
Amanda Parker: Mm.
Susanne Amoraal: you know, that's, that's nice to feel, to get in contact with that energy. Yeah. Hmm. Hmm.
Amanda Parker: Well, Susana, thank you so much for sharing the work that you do and helping us understand a bit, especially for those who are new to this kind of work and what it means to do this women's work. Um, Really, the programs that you're offering sound incredible, so, and I know from hearing of others experiences that they're really powerful, so I really just appreciate you taking the time to
Susanne Amoraal: Hmm.
Amanda Parker: us today.
Susanne Amoraal: Thank you so much for listening to me and being there holding the space. Yes. Thank you.
Amanda Parker: And to everyone who's tuned in, thanks for listening to this week's episode, and see you next [01:07:00] time.